BMBOY - Grupo Bimbo S.A.B. de C.V. (GRBMF) Q4 2022 Earnings Call Transcript
Grupo Bimbo S.A.B. de C.V. (GRBMF)
Q4 2022 Earnings Conference Call
February 22, 2023 06:00 PM ET
Company Participants
Daniel Servitje - Chairman and CEO
Diego Gaxiola - CFO
Alfred Penny - President, Bimbo Bakeries USA
Conference Call Participants
Ben Theurer - Barclays
Lewis Willard - GBM
Alan Alanis - Santander
Sergio Matsumoto - Citigroup
Lucas Ferreira - JPMorgan
Alvaro Garcia - BTG
Felipe Ucros - Scotiabank
Antonio Hernandez - Barclays
Federico Galassi - The RG
Presentation
Operator
Good day and welcome to Grupo Bimbo Results Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2022 Conference Call. All participants will be in a listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. [Operator Instructions] Please note, this event is being recorded.
I would now like to turn the conference over Mr. Daniel Servitje, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer. Please go ahead, sir.
Daniel Servitje
Thank you very much. And good afternoon everyone. Thank you for joining us. Connected on the line today is our CFO, Diego Gaxiola; our COO -- our new COO, Rafael Pamias; BBU’s President, Fred Penny; Mark Bendix, Executive Vice President; [Indiscernible] BBU Senior Vice President, and several members of our finance team.
2022 was a remarkable year with historic financial performance, reaching $19.8 billion in net sales and $2.7 billion in EBITDA and posting 10% and 12% 10-year compounded annual growth rates respectively.
We saw market share gains in most categories made record CapEx investments of $1.2 billion, fine-tuned or strategic focus on grain-based fruits after selling [Indiscernible] invested in and grew our brands, successfully turned around Argentina and Brazil, and we launched our sustainability strategy. I am very proud of the dedication and hard work of our associates who have worked tirelessly of the headwinds of this challenging global environment.
The demand for products during the year was historic. Our volumes grew across all regions despite price increases from said inflation with continued market share gains and the snacks, buns and rolls, and tortillas and categories outperformed.
We continue to experience a challenging environment in Canada and China, the latter starting to show positive signs after the drastic COVID restrictions were lifted recently.
We continue to make progress on our ESG initiatives, reaching milestones such as ending the year with 85% renewable electricity globally and 20 countries are now operating with 100% green energy. I believe we are the most advanced company in the world in terms of renewable electricity consumption.
We were also included for the first time in the Bloomberg 2023 Gender Equality Index and we were recognized by the Carbon Disclosure Project for our actions globally to mitigate the effects of climate change, making it to be -- to the very selective A list.
And as we saw in our press release, we're making also important changes to our senior leadership team. We have named Rafa Pamias, our Chief Operating Officer. Rafa will be leading our four global regents and will continue to be our Chief Sustainability Officer as well.
Throughout his six years at Grupo Bimbo, Rafa has had great success with ever-increasing responsibilities, leading high-impact projects such as a turnaround of two challenging operations, Brazil and Argentina. And he also led us, as we mentioned, the launch of our sustainability strategy.
Fred Penny Benny, who you know, will be retiring at the end of March. I would like him to say a few words. Please Fred, go ahead.
Alfred Penny
Thank you, Daniel. You know it's hard to believe that it's been 11 years now that I've been President of BBU. It's been a real privilege to have this opportunity in an industry that I have spent my entire career and 42 years now.
It's certainly not what I envisioned coming out of grad school that I would do, but it's been terrific. I'm grateful for what this industry and Grupo Bimbo have meant to me and to my family.
I can't go without saying that we've accomplished a lot since the Sara Lee Baking Company acquisition in late 2011 and I took over right after that. With the commitment and passion of our leaders and associates both current and former, we built an industry-leading national baking company through integration, transformation, and the growth focus. I'm confident that with the current BBU leadership in place and grounded in our core beliefs of safety, diversity, equity, and belonging, and respect for the person that will be successful growing and continuing to transform the baking industry.
Lastly, I want to thank the analysts, past and present, for your interest in and your support of Grupo Bimbo. Over 44 calls now, which is an amazing number to me, I've enjoyed our interactions as well as our occasional challenges and I expect we'll get some of those today.
So, with that, Daniel, thank you and I'll turn it back to you.
Daniel Servitje
Thank you very much, Fred and -- well, I really want to thank you for your many enormous contributions to the Grupo Bimbo family and for your friendship. Until Fred's retirement, Tony Gavin will be taking on this role and he will report to Mark Bendix, who has joined us on this call today.
Mark will add BBU to its existing responsibilities of Bimbo QSR and BMO Canada. Tony, Mark, and Rafa would take on these challenges, I'm sure, with passion and their leadership will help us become a more sustainable, highly productive, and deeply humane company.
Looking into 2023 and beyond, we will implement step change initiatives to leverage the next wave of growth in sales and EBITDA expansion. Through initiatives such as superior quality always, accelerating our brand goals, continuing strategic CapEx investments, even greater presence in our household penetration, and other concepts, revenue growth management and digital transformation among others.
Now, looking into the results by region for the quarter. North America delivered very strong topline performance, growing nearly 22% in dollar terms, mainly due to the implementation of price increases. We are happy to see continued momentum in our share performance as we grow it across almost all categories.
Net sales performance was also benefited by an extra week of sales when compared to the prior year. Despite the challenging operating environment, the margin only constructed a slight 10 basis points. This reflects an outstanding effort from [Indiscernible] which we're able to successfully navigate unprecedented inflation and a critical labor and operating environment and delivered better than expected results.
Inflation pressures were partially offset by a favorable portfolio mix and strong investments in our brands. We will continue to innovate, invest in on our brands, and remain confident, but the breadth of our portfolio position us favorably to navigate through the many macroeconomic uncertainties.
Our focus remains to offset inflationary pressures, productivity, pricing, and revenue growth management strategies, while working hard to win share in our branded categories.
I'm happy to share that BBU was recognized by IRAI [ph] as the fourth fastest growing CPG company in 2022 and the fastest growing company in that universe. This is the second time BBU has earned a brief recognition since 2020.
In Mexico, sales improved by over 70%, attributable to favorable price product mix and price increases. Every channel posted double-digit growth and most notably, the convenience, retail, and traditional, the snacks with baked goods, snack cakes, cookies, and bread categories.
Adjusted EBITDA margin contracted 370 basis points, reflecting a one-time write-off related to a prepayment to our supplier.
The high inflation environment including raw materials and the effect of higher volume and lower margin intercompany sales between Mexico and US also affected that margin, which was partially offset by the strong sales performance and efficiencies in distribution and administrative expenses.
Moving on to EAA, excluding the FX effect, sales increased more than 24%. This was mainly due to the implementation of price increases as well as volume growth across most countries in the region coupled with the acquisition of St. Pierre.
The adjusted EBITDA margin contraction of 60 basis points resulted from FX headwinds, high inflation, and the negative product mix effect in Nigeria, arising from an increase in private label as well as weak results in China.
In January, we completed the acquisition of Vel Pitar, the leader in the baking industry in Romania. Vel Pitar has a diversified portfolio within the bread category and distributes its product through 10 plants in the country. This acquisition, which was closed at eight times the enterprise value EBITDA, reinforces our global strategy by expanding our presence now to 34 countries, allowing us to continue strengthening our presence in the EAA region and adding new brands with superior quality to our portfolio.
Finally, moving on to Latin America, excluding the FX effect, net sales increased over 33% as a result of double-digit growth in almost every country, most notably Brazil, Argentina, Colombia, and Chile.
We reached a record EBITDA margin fourth quarter and for the full year. This was attributable to several factors, including the operational leverage from earnings and income sales, the productivity benefits across the value chain, and the strong results in Brazil and Argentina from the successful implementation of turnaround initiatives.
We also inaugurated a new plant in the southern end of Chile, as we continue to see a strong demand in that country.
I would now like to turn over the call to Diego who will walk you through our financials. Please Diego, go ahead.
Diego Gaxiola
Thank you, Daniel. Good afternoon everyone and thank you for joining us today. I would like to start with a summary of our financial results for the full year, which were outstanding, especially when we consider the challenging comparison from the record levels achieved in 2021. A highly inflationary environment, a complex operating environment in some markets, and the negative effects from FX rate.
Net sales reach nearly MXN400 billion for the first time in the history of our company. And our adjusted EBITDA reached MXN53 billion, which was mainly due to the strong sales performance efficiencies in distribution and administrative expense.
Our adjusted EBITDA margin contracted as expected by 60 basis points, mainly due to higher commodity prices, a high overall inflationary environment in all our operations, and that challenging labor market in some countries.
A $734 million mix non-cash benefit we saw during the quarter is due to the reversal of a provision for the expected liability that is no longer needed because of special financial assistance that will be received by critical and declining maps according to the American Rescue Plan Act of 2021 in the US. It is important to know that this is one-time non-cash benefit.
Our full year financing costs increased by over 33% because of a higher exchange rates and higher interest expense. Our effective tax rate stood at 31.3%, which reflects the mix of countries with a lower effective tax rate, as well as the benefit from our turnaround businesses that have been performing substantially better than previous years.
These factors yielded an important improvement in net minority income of nearly 200% and are significant margin expansion of 710 basis points, reaching 11.8%. Our return on equity without considering the profit of the sale of Ricolino and the net effect closed at 15.1%.
Turning to the balance sheet, thanks to our historic operating results, we closed the year with a record level of net debt to adjusted EBITDA ratio of 1.5 times and our total debt closed at MXN84 billion.
The decrease was primarily due to the prepayment of debt using the proceeds from Ricolino as well as the FX rate effect.
Our net operating working capital, which mainly considers accounts receivables, inventories and suppliers, has continued to improve significantly by nearly three days over the fourth quarter of 2021, which is the equivalent of close to MXN3.2 billion, mostly due to the improvements in accounts payable.
Lastly, I would like to mention that we are very pleased to have exceeded the guidance provided over a year ago, which by the way, we increased two times in a row because results were outstanding given the high demand we experienced and continue to see across our operations.
Now, I would like to provide some visibility on what we are expecting for 2023. In terms of revenues, we expect to see a growth of mid to high single-digit. Even considering the tough comparison of 2022, we are still expecting adjusted EBITDA to grow at a high single-digit rate, which will translate into a slight margin expansion.
More specifically, we are expecting an impact on our results from inflation during the first half of the year, which will gradually lessen and we will see tailwinds during the second half of the year.
These, coupled with the operating leverage coming from the sales growth and productivity benefits from past investments in CapEx and OpEx, as well as a positive effect coming from the FX rate, will result in the slight margin expansion.
We expect the effective tax rate to be between low to mid 30s, which is slightly higher to the rate compared as compared to 2022.
Lastly, we expect our CapEx investments to be in the range of $1.7 billion to $2 billion. This higher CapEx is partly due to the carryover effect of 2022 and also because of the opportunities we are seeing to increase our capacity, given the demand of our products in the marketplace.
We can now proceed with a Q&A session.
Question-and-Answer Session
Operator
Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session.
The first question comes from Ben Theurer with Barclays. Please go ahead.
Ben Theurer
Good afternoon. Hello?
Operator
Hi Ben. Yes, we can hear you.
Unidentified Company Representative
We lost you.
Operator
Yes, we lost Ben's line. Can I take the next question?
Unidentified Company Representative
Yes, please.
Operator
All right. The next question comes from Lewis Willard with GBM. Please go ahead.
Lewis Willard
Hi, guys. Thanks for taking my question and congratulations on the -- what has been an outstanding year. So, I'd like to speak about first -- when you think about thinking beyond 2023, how do you think about your current price structure in the marketplace?
Is it fair to assume that retailers, especially in the US have started growing a bit more reluctant to sustaining these price levels beyond 2023, as we start to see some commodity prices coming down? That will be the first and then I have a follow-up.
Daniel Servitje
Well, if I may first on the global [Indiscernible], I think we've been finding that there is consumer resiliency and our volumes have been all-in-all being strong, and we're having high levels of costs of commodities, and it will remain so for a period. But we don't we don't have necessarily the vision for an understanding what's happening after 2023 or from 2023, I think that what we're sensing is that the market is responding well in multiple regions, and we're very close to upon -- to really address the issues that they're facing.
Lewis Willard
Thank you. So, perhaps, I mean, the ideal way to put this question is you've been increasing prices to follow-up commodities pressures. So, in a more normalized environment, do you see retailers pushing you a bit more to be more promotional to entice consumption? I don't know if commodity start relaxing, that would be perhaps a better way to put that question. Thank you.
Daniel Servitje
I mean, we don't have that visibility as to what will happen. I would say the next year or the end of this year. At this point, what we're sensing is that we're mostly covered in many of our categories and concepts. And we hope that that will allow us to have some stability, at least in the near-term.
Lewis Willard
All right. Got it. Thank you.
Operator
The next question comes from Alan Alanis with Santander. Please go ahead.
Alan Alanis
Thank you so much. Thanks for taking the question. Daniel, Diego, congratulations, excellent results. Best wishes for Fred, you will be missed and I think you will miss -- after 44, you'll miss our questions as well.
My question has to do with US, what kind of elasticity are you seeing right now? I mean, specifically, are you seeing any kind of down trading already or volumes continued to be pretty robust in line with what we've seen in terms of economic environment?
And then if you start seeing some down trading, how do you prepare? How do you anticipate that? And what kind of innovation? And what's the role of innovation in order to deliver on this guidance?
Alfred Penny
Daniel, I'd be happy to take that as you want.
Daniel Servitje
Sure.
Alfred Penny
Yes. Alan, thank you. Yes, I'm going to miss these calls. To start there, I'm going to miss these calls, hopefully, but not always. I'd say this, I think -- and this is, this shouldn't be a surprise in the fourth quarter as multiple food categories of experience, we did start to see some softening and tonnage from the impact pricing and inflation, which has been significant as you all know.
The good news from our standpoint is we've held or grown share in almost every category that we're in, even if the category is softened a bit. I think -- and Daniel mentioned this, we're going to see more significant inflation, at least for the first half of next year, 2023. And so, we have to navigate that.
And we -- there are two things that we'll do. One will be some, I'm going to call it surgical promotional activity, if needed. And two and more importantly, is more investment in our brands, from a marketing standpoint, and innovation. And I'm not going to get into the details of the products. But we are definitely pushing innovation as well as a way to buffer the impacts of pricing and inflation to the category overall.
Alan Alanis
Yes, that's really useful. And I think just anecdotally, I've noticed also increasing the coverage of your product throughout the United States. So, congratulations on that as well.
Sure, that some of the results are also working because of the increased availability on the product. If I may, a last question maybe for you, Daniel, thank you so much. Thank you so much, Fred.
Daniel, could you could you remind us how you think strategically about salty snacks? I mean, Bimbo has been extremely successful, both in baked goods and salty snacks? I mean, how do you think about the salty snacks currently, and strategically in the future? And that's the question more globally, I know you're having a lot of success in Mexico, in the United States. But reminders, your strategic thinking behind salty snack please?
Daniel Servitje
Yes, well, what we did last year as you recall was basically focus ourselves on becoming more relevant, green based foods company. And that that includes all the categories in Beijing, as well as the categories of salted snacks that we're in. And salted snack is going to be -- it is going to be a part of our company's portfolio. And we're investing whenever and however we find opportunities for growth in that category, as well as in all the sweet baked goods, cookies and sweet categories -- sweet snack categories in the bakery. So, it's another one of our categories, and we try to take good care of that one, as well as all the others.
Alan Alanis
Great. Thank you so much. And again, congrats on the results.
Daniel Servitje
Thank you.
Operator
The next question comes from Sergio Matsumoto with Citigroup. Please go ahead.
Sergio Matsumoto
Yes, hi, good evening, Daniel and Diego and congratulations to Mark, Raphael, and, Tony. We look forward to working with you and Fred best wishes on your new endeavors.
My question is on the CapEx with the step-up to the record amount. Would you say those investments are intended for topline growth, acceleration or for cost efficiency? Help us understand the effects and the timeframe, please? Thank you.
Diego Gaxiola
Daniel, do you want me to take that one?
Daniel Servitje
Yes. Please take it Diego.
Diego Gaxiola
Yes. So, thank you, Sergio. As you can see, we have been increasing our CapEx plan every year. During 2021, we did for the first time in the history of the company more than $1 billion. And then 2022, although we believe we're going to be slightly below the plan, we ended with $1.4 billion. And as you heard on the guidance, we're exciting a higher number for 2023.
Now, the reason for the increase in faith, several points. The most important is the increase in our capacity. So, this is 100% related to topline growth is not only a specific geography, it's a global market and nation categories in which we continue to see opportunities, and we continue to see the need to invest and to increase our capacity, that's in one country.
On the other, we have also been a little bit more aggressive on investing on some profitability projects, that will not help the topline, but will help us to be more efficient and have an expansion on our margins.
And lastly, also important to have in your mind is the inflation that we have seen in CapEx in the last three years, not always normally on commodities and food, also, we have been seen some pressure on inflation on the CapEx side.
Being the less important of the three, we have an important amount for 2023 of carryover projects that we already started last year, and also many other projects in the pipeline that we will start to invest in 2023. And of course, will have some carryover effect for 2024.
Sergio Matsumoto
Understood. And if I could add maybe my last question to Fred, could you comment on the private labels position in the US today? Has it changed in the last three years? Like, has it, kind of, lost its role? Or do you think it still plays a role in the industry volume perspective?
Alfred Penny
Yes, Sergio, I'd be happy to comment on that. First, let me say that it clearly has a very important role in the category as it does in multiple food categories. I would say, however, that with the significant inflation that we've seen in the market and we've all experienced, and at least in the last quarter, we've begun to see a more call it a more positive trend in private label, where it was trending negative for the last couple of years. It's either now trending less negative or maybe slightly positive.
But it's an important part of the category. And it's important part, frankly, of our portfolio as a supplier. So, but I wouldn't, I wouldn't characterize it as some, you know, radical change and private label over the last few years. That's definitely not the case.
Sergio Matsumoto
Got it. Thank you, and congratulations.
Operator
The next question comes from Lucas Ferreira with JPMorgan. Please go ahead.
Lucas Ferreira
Hello everybody. Once again, congrats for Fred for the career. And good luck for all the Managers in the new position. So, thanks for the time for questions. My first one is on your guidance. You're saying that in the second half, we expected to have a sort of a more cost tailwinds, your margins probably better in the second half, just wanted to understand how much visibility you have on this already considering your hedges. So, you can give us some more details on how much you hedge for the second half of the year?
And how comfortable you are with this visibility into the second half? And I know you don't give much breakdown by region, but if this guidance considers some sort of a normalization in the profitability, especially outside the US.
And the second question is a follow-up on the previous questions on the CapEx guidance. If you can give us a sense of what's the most sort of normalized CapEx from here. So, what's the maintenance CapEx we should include in the model and what sort of a recurring expansion CapEx you've been doing?
And if some more details you can provide on terms of which are the regions receive most of this cash that will be helpful? Thank you very much.
Daniel Servitje
Yes, hi Lucas. Let me give you a little bit more color on why we believe that in the second half we will start to see some tailwind regarding inflation. It's not necessarily because we're fully hedged already, although we have already taken from some hedge or we have already some visibility. But the thing is that in the second half, and particularly in the fourth quarter of last year, we had the biggest pressure in commodities.
Remember that we have a lag, where you have to take into account that although commodities during the fourth quarter came down we're seeing the effect of the cost of commodities early around six months before to take around capital 2022. We're still overseas. We're at record levels, most of that is the pressure that we really would not want to have. So, we have an easy comparison for the technical craft. Now, you still in the in the first quarter, we had many hedges that were taking before the commodity start to eat.
In the second quarter, probably more in the fourth quarter, we will start to see these slight benefits that will help us learn and this is important for you to have it in your model. Know that on a quarterly basis. Don't be surprised to see some continuous pressure on our cost of sales during the first two quarters of the year.
In terms of the normalized CapEx, it's little hard to come up with a specific model will probably answer more directionally telling you that on one hand, our CapEx used to be before the inflation before COVID. Maintenance CapEx between $400 million to $500 million, we have increased our capacity, and we're seeing inflation.
So just from these two things, I would probably say that our maintenance CapEx is going to be more in the range of $600 million to $700 million. We have always been investing and reinvesting in the company, investing involves, investing in productivity initiatives, I don't think it's one of the -- the essential in the long run after 2024, 2025 in 10 years, we will continue to invest in the company.
So, and it's hard to know right now, we do not have any humility to say okay, we will continue to invest these additional billion dollars on growth and positivity as we plan to grow in 2023.
Lucas Ferreira
That's great. Thank you very much.
Operator
Next question comes from Alvaro Garcia with BTG. Please go ahead.
Alvaro Garcia
Hi, everyone. Thanks for the call. Firstly, absolute pleasure -- pleasure interacting with you, Fred over the years all the best going forward. A couple of questions, the first one on, on maps for the Diego. This is obviously a different type of adjustment relative to what we've seen in the last couple years. And I wonder, if this implies that there's some sort of change with what might run through your P&L. That does eliminating this, this liability or this provision impact? What expenses you might have for your P&L? That's my first question.
Diego Gaxiola
Yes, we will continue to have some volatility because of steps related to the interest rate because we still have some liability. It's a little bit more than $100 million. So, it's a fraction of what we had in the past. You remember before we increase on rate, we were close to a billion dollars and also any movement or rate was very high and created a very high volatility for our results. The multimarket from the -- the mark-to-market from interest rates is not one of the materials, whether we have fractions compared to the past number.
Alvaro Garcia
I guess the question was on contribution. So, the contributions to the plans themselves whether this changes the contribution --?
Diego Gaxiola
Nothing changes the contributions. Basically, what we're having is that the potential obligation of having to form the met now with the resources that will be received is very, very low. So, we do not need to have a liability on our balance sheet. And I mean, no news here without senior people for the review, if you want to compliment anything, you please, carefully.
Daniel Servitje
Diego, thank you, you said it perfectly. Our responsibility to make contributions continues. This is you actually said it extremely well, this is just a provision, because we had the possibility or actually the probability of significant a significant fund that we belong to going insolvent. And this was a provision to protect ourselves against the liability that would flow from that insolvency that has now been solved. And that's why the provision has been reversed. But our regular contribution obligations continue.
Alvaro Garcia
Right. Great, super, super clear. My second question is for the Daniel, on the new organizational structure, I might be wrong, but I feel like it's the first time you have a global COO. So, I guess sort of asking strategically, sort of the new roles for Rafa, and Mark, are these new roles and sort of what's the rationale behind that? Thank you.
Daniel Servitje
Yes, yes, Alvaro. Because this is significant changes, as you mentioned, and, is related to the size and the complexity of our group or of our company. And what we're doing is trying to arrange ourselves in a structure that allows us to manage the growth that we have had, and that hopefully, we'll continue to have in the future. So that's, that's the reason for these changes.
Alvaro Garcia
Great. Thank you, and congrats again.
Daniel Servitje
Thank you.
Operator
The next question comes from the Felipe Ucros with Scotiabank. Please go ahead.
Felipe Ucros
Thank you, operator. Good evening. Daniel, Diego, congrats on another good sort of results and the congrats to Fred on his retirement. Thanks for your help on all these calls over the years. I hope within the drive me too crazy. So, I'll go to my first one. On supply chain constraints we've seen a lot of commentary, specifically in the US from a lot of companies, on discussing the most of the supply chain constraints have declined enough that actually logistic prices are starting to decline. Freight, for example, is one that I mentioned quite often transcripts.
So just wondering what you're seeing there and if you expect any benefits from that in the US division. And also wanted to ask about working capital, you've delivered a very impressive set of improvements on working capital last week, by three days before that reported for days. And we've had some improvements, quarter-to quarter for several quarters.
So just wondering, how long you think you can you can deliver those improvements or be think basically at a point where working capital will be stable in terms of number of days, any commentary that you can give us on that, in terms of how we should be thinking about that in our models? Thank you.
Daniel Servitje
I'll take the first one? Yes, the freight rates have started to fall in some lanes and obviously if we can take advantage of that changing price. We will doing it but as you know, most of our businesses don't locally. And our -- I mean we didn't have as much impact on that on that regard comparing to other cities, though, so yes, it's one of the changes from the past.
And on the other side, I think we're, we're having other significant increases or victories, for example, in the past year and more recently, we have a high surging cost on x. And that's, that's something that goes against the P&L. No, just one example, on the other side.
Diego Gaxiola
And regarding the working capital position, I would say, I mean, yes, we have been continuously improving the working capital of the company on different accounts worth close to the optimal working capital position, although I don't believe we're completely born with a problem. They're not as big as the moves that we have seen in the past.
We will go down to negative numbers. But we will continue to have a very controlled working capital, a lot of efficiencies from marginal improvement for the future.
Felipe Ucros
Great. And maybe we could do a follow-up, Diego, on price carryover for next year. Do you expect quality have your prices paid in one of the questions I think I heard Daniel say that you covered for the next year? Initially, we were talking about hedges, but then it became clear that you're probably not as far advanced on hedging. So, does that certainly set on prices and you have enough carryover for what we see coming on next year?
Diego Gaxiola
Felipe, sorry, the line was not very clear. Can you repeat the question please?
Felipe Ucros
Yes. Sorry about that. My question was about price carryover. In one of the comments, you mentioned that you we're fairly networking through next year, I thought you were talking about hedges, but I think rather common space, we think that we're probably not talking about hedges, but you're probably talking about pricing. Are you all set with pricing for next year?
Diego Gaxiola
If I was able to get your question, correct, okay. Yes, we do expect to have an effect of the carryover from price increases of 2022 in some regions a little bit more than others. Like, for example, in the US, the last round of price increases happened in the fall. So, as we continue to see the coming months, it will have these benefits on the price increase. In formal markets, the increases took place before that, so it's probably going to be six months.
So, if you were talking about the carryover effect of price increases, yes, it is included in the guidance. It is part of our expectation and top line growth for 2023.
Felipe Ucros
Great. That was very clear. That what I was looking for. Six months to nine months of carryover. Sounds like it. Thank you.
Operator
The next question comes from Antonio Hernandez with Barclays. Please go ahead.
Antonio Hernandez
Hi. Good afternoon. Thanks for taking my questions. Its Antonio on behalf of Ben. Congrats on your results and best of luck. My question is regarding volumes performance, can you give us a little bit more details on operating performance in North America and Mexico. And also, what are your expectations for this year? Thanks.
Daniel Servitje
So, Alfred, why don't you take the one in the US and I'll share my views on Mexico?
Alfred Penny
Sure, Daniel. Thanks, Antonio. I think I mentioned it earlier, our volume performance for the most part for 2022 was very good. Positive generally, we did see softening in the fourth quarter, as I mentioned earlier, related to the categories starting to crack from the significant amount of pricing and inflation that I think consumers are feeling.
I think our expectation is that we're going to grow our business in 2023 behind marketing investments, innovation, et cetera. But we are cycling and Q1 in particular, we're going to be cycling some significant volumes from a year ago when there was a Omicron COVID spike. So, we'll have to see how the year plays out. But I think the important point I would leave it with is that our share performance is solid across most categories, either flat or up. And we'll have to see whether -- at the end of the day, I think, part of this is where the category goes. But I would say we're optimistic about our ability to regain momentum to grow volume.
Daniel Servitje
Yes, Antonio on the Mexican side. I would say that, that we had an all-in-all a very good year. In the fourth quarter, we experienced some softness in some categories. But I would say that we're starting the year on a good note. And we believe that this was more a temporary end of the year situation in some categories, but all-in-all, very good. And in some channels, doing 2022 was very good, even at the last quarter.
Antonio Hernandez
Okay. Thanks. Appreciate the color.
Operator
The next question comes from [indiscernible] with JPMorgan. Please go ahead.
Unidentified Analyst
Hello, everyone. Thank you for taking my question. So, I wanted to ask you about your net leverage, and where do you feel comfortable with it? You had a significant decrease expected with everybody knows it fail. So, wanted to see what I understand from you -- where do you see that by the end of next year? And where do you feel comfortable get Thank you.
Daniel Servitje
Yes. Hi, Danielle. We wouldn't do provide a specific guidance on where we think we're going to land by the end of the year in terms of the leverage ratio for group of info. What I can tell you and your guides will start to do the math with the guidance in during the CapEx plus some M&A activity, we already did the transaction of multitasking in Romania. So, I'm sure it's going to be a year in which we're going to be demanding some cash flow. And these will pull some increase in the leverage of the company.
Now philosophically speaking, we're within comfortable is between 2 times to 2.5 times net debt to EBITDA remember that the ratio the way we measure it is without the IFRS 16. So, it's a little bit more athletes than taking just the EBITDA with the effect of IFRS 16
It is not necessarily that because we'll be low comfortable basically we see the financials of the company and we're very well positioned to be able to execute our organic and inorganic plants and capture the opportunities that we have in front of us.
Unidentified Analyst
Thank you
Operator
The next question comes from Federico Galassi with The RG. Please go ahead
Federico Galassi
Hi, guys. Thank you for the call. Congrats Rafael for the new position. One question or two question if I may. The first one is in the guidance and in particular for the words of us in the in the breakdowns in revenue and EBITDA. How are you think -- how do you take the effects the Mexican peso, US dollar for the building the budget?
Diego Gaxiola
Yes, Federico, of course, with the local crystal ball and we do not know what it is, we do have in our structure is more in a 19, 19.5 around that for the average of the year. And with that exchange rate is how we convert the operations outside of Mexico in order to arrive at the consolidated level of Grupo Bimbo we able to provide you guidance or also to have a budget.
Federico Galassi
Okay. Very clear. And the second question more or like relating with a capital location. I understand that you've done a call the perpetual along this year. Do you think in that case isn't the table?
Diego Gaxiola
Yes, the category was first of all, in April 2023. I mean, we lose treatment as equity. As you remember this financial instrument was issued five years ago in 2018 when the company was in a completely different financial position, so it made a lot of sense at that time to have these kinds of instruments as part of our debt structure.
Today, we're analyzing different alternatives and the options. What I can tell you in advance is that we will exercise the option to call it and really look to have a more tradable instrument according to the financial position of the company that we have today.
Federico Galassi
Okay. Thank you so much.
Operator
This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Daniel Servitje for any closing remarks. Daniel, is your line muted?
Daniel Servitje
Yes, sorry. Sorry. Thank you all for your time today and please do not hesitate to contact us with any further comments or questions you might have.
Operator
The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may all now disconnect.
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Grupo Bimbo S.A.B. de C.V. (GRBMF) Q4 2022 Earnings Call Transcript