OXLCG - Baby Bonds, Preferreds, And Helping Investors Afford Retirement
2025-03-25 15:45:00 ET
Summary
- High Yield Investor's Samuel Smith and Scott Kaufman from High Dividend Opportunities discuss why preferred shares and baby bonds are compelling for investors.
- Key picks for preferreds and baby bonds.
- Are there risks involved with higher yield?
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High Yield Investor 's Samuel Smith and Scott Kaufman from High Dividend Opportunities discuss why preferred shares (0:50) and baby bonds (3:30) are compelling for investors. Samuel's preferred share selections (7:30). Scott's picks for preferreds and baby bonds (22:20). Are there risks involved with higher yield? (31:20) This is an excerpt from our recent Dividend Investing Forum.
Transcript
Daniel Snyder : Hey, everyone, welcome to this incredible session we're about to have that I'm extremely excited about because I think we're going to focus more about risk on the forefront and different ways to manage risk within the portfolio through this fixed income strategies.
So we are joined here by Samuel Smith and Scott Kaufman. You may know them from High Yield Investor and High Dividend Opportunities , very popular investing group services here on Seeking Alpha.
Gentlemen, thank you for joining me today.
Samuel Smith : Great to be here.
Scott Kaufmann : Thanks for having us.
DS : So we're going to jump into a conversation about preferred shares and baby bonds. But I think first to lay the land for people that may not be really focused in these areas, Samuel, maybe you first.
Would you mind walking us through A, the history of preferred shares; and B, why they might be compelling for investors?
SS : Well, the real idea behind preferred shares is from the issuer perspective, they can give you equity type risk as an issuer. So for the company, there's not the contractual obligation that, say, debt would have, and also credit agencies typically look at that a little more favorably than straight up issuing debt. So there's that lower-risk aspect, but at the same time, it's often cheaper than issuing common equity. So it's a popular source of raising capital for companies.
On the investor side, depending on your goals, if your goal is to invest in as high a yield as possible with as low a risk as possible, you can get a best of both worlds type situation because preferred shares, because they don't have the contractual protections that debt has or bonds have, they tend to yield a bit higher.
So you do get that higher yield, but at the same time, they're above the common equity in the capital stack. And so you get that as it is in the name, the preferred return that's typically paid out entirely in a dividend. So as an income investor, you have a much more secure income and often a higher yield depending on the security than you would from the common equity. But at the same time, you still have pretty low risk because it is senior in the capital stack....
Baby Bonds, Preferreds, And Helping Investors Afford Retirement