KCDMF - Kimberly-Clark de México S.A.B. de C.V. (KCDMY) Q3 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

2023-10-20 13:06:05 ET

Kimberly-Clark de México, S.A.B. de C.V. (KCDMY)

Q3 2023 Results Conference Call

October 20, 2023 10:30 AM ET

Company Participants

Pablo González - CEO

Xavier Cortés - CFO

Conference Call Participants

Ben Theurer - Barclays

Jens Spiess - Morgan Stanley

Pedro Fabregat - Compass

Bob Ford - Bank of America

Rodrigo Alcántara - UBS

Luis Willard - GBM

Presentation

Operator

Good day, everyone, and welcome to today’s Kimberly-Clark de México’s Third Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later you will have an opportunity to ask questions during the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Please note this call is being recorded, and that I will be standing by, should you need any assistance.

It is now my pleasure to turn today’s program over to Pablo González, Chief Executive Officer.

Pablo González

Thanks, Chelsea. Hello, everyone. Thanks for participating on the call. As usual, I’ll make some preliminary remarks and pass it on to Xavier to provide details on the second quarter results.

Let me start by providing some perspective on our sales. Excluding exports tissue parent rolls, our sales grew more than 5%. Consumer products business grew mid-single-digit, driven by healthy volume growth, while price contributed less, as we lapped important price increases. Professional posted strong growth, although much lower than in prior quarters, as we also lapped price increases. All-in-all, our consumer and professional businesses continued to perform well, albeit at lower growth rates because of less price contribution, but with healthy volume and strong shares. On top of that, our exports of finished products also grew significantly.

Tissue parent rolls on the contrary decreased substantially and were roughly half those of last year. This was due to increased supply from Asian producers, significantly lower prices and the exchange rate differential. This hard roll sales decrease impacted our top-line by more than 800 million peso and 640 basis points and caused our total sales to be slightly below last year.

On the bottom-line, we again posted important increases and we continue to improve margins. This result from a combination of higher volume and efficiencies, raw material price decreases materializing and continued progress on our cost reduction efforts. Going forward, we expect our overall sales to improve and our bottom-line to stay strong.

Let me pass it on to Xavier to provide details on the quarter.

Xavier Cortés

Good morning. During the quarter, our sales were 12.7 billion pesos, a 0.9% decrease versus the third quarter of 2022. Net sales were boosted by consumer products and away from home, which grew 5.3% and 6.5%, respectively. Exports were down 35.4% due to an exceptional quarter of hard roll sales in Q3 2022 in combination with the factors mentioned by Pablo. Converted product exports showed important improvements and grew double-digits. Year-over-year, consumer products had a more balanced growth with volume up 3.2% and price mix 2.1%. We will continue monitoring prices and volumes to find the best combination going forward.

Cost of goods sold decreased 11%. Against last year, virgin fibers, imported recycled fibers, SAM and resins were favorable, fluff and energy compared negatively. The FX was lower, averaging 16% less.

Our cost reduction program once again had very good results and yielded approximately 450 million peso of savings in the quarter. These savings are mainly at the cost of goods sold level and are generated by sourcing, materials improvement and process efficiencies.

Gross profit increased 20% and margin was 40.2% for the quarter. SG&A expenses were 7.8% higher year-over-year, and as a percentage of sales were up 130 basis points. We continue to look for additional opportunities to streamline our logistics operations while strengthening the investment behind our brand and provisioning for higher variable compensation.

Operating profit increased 30.6% and the operating margin was 23.2%. We generated 3.4 billion pesos of EBITDA, a 24.5% increase. EBITDA margin was 27.1%, a 150 basis points sequential improvement and a 560 basis points differential versus the third quarter of 2022, underscoring our focus towards margin recovery. During the last 12 months, we generated 10 billion pesos of free cash flow.

Cost of financing was 414 million pesos in the third quarter compared to 425 million in the same period of last year. Net interest expense was lower since we have less net debt. During the quarter, we had a 4 million pesos FX loss, which compares to a 2 million pesos loss last year. Net income for the quarter was 1.7 billion pesos with earnings per share of 0.54 pesos, a 34.2% increase. We maintain a very strong and healthy balance sheet. Our total cash position as of September 30 was 18.4 billion pesos. Our net debt to EBITDA ratio was 0.9 times with an EBITDA to net interest coverage of 8 times. Thank you.

Pablo González

Let me make a few brief comments before going to Q&A. On the top line, the economy in general and domestic consumption more specifically continued to show resiliency. We expect the trend to continue and support growth in our categories. In addition, we believe our strong innovation pipeline together with more effective investments behind the brands will strengthen our market position.

On the cost side, pulp, recycled fiber, super absorbent materials and resins will continue to be favorable. Fluff, on the other hand, will stay significantly higher than last year. Continued growth in our most important businesses, a better cost scenario, together with the investments we’re making to optimize our footprint and strengthen execution as well as our consistent and effective focus on cost reductions should allow us to continue posting margins within our target range. We are pleased with our progress and excited with the opportunities we see going forward. And as always, we are committed and will be relentless in achieving our goals.

With that, let me open the floor for questions.

Question-and-Answer Session

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And our first question will come from Ben Theurer with Barclays.

Ben Theurer

I have actually two questions. So one, you just shared some more details on the price volume on a year-over-year basis, but I was wondering if you could give us a little more color as to the pricing dynamics third quarter versus second quarter, particularly in light of the very strong gross margin expansion. That was almost 200 basis points just sequentially. So, was there something on the pricing side sequentially, or was it all cost? That would be my first question.

Pablo González

Our prices sequentially were a little behind or a little lower than second quarter. So, for example, in consumer products, it was minus 1.3%. Total for the company, given the impact of exports was minus 2.2%. So sequentially we did see prices a little bit lower third quarter versus second quarter.

Ben Theurer

And that actually then brings me nicely into the second question. So, as we move into the fourth quarter and then into 2024, how should we think about the sequential price movement? Is there going to be some sort of a recovery to be expected in the fourth quarter, which on top of what you’ve just said, the favorable cost environment, will help you on the margin side, or do you think there’s need to be a little more cautious on the pricing side to maintain the volumes and as margin expand nonetheless, you don’t have to be as aggressive on pricing? Help us frame that balance, please.

Pablo González

Sure, Ben. Well, first of all, as we mentioned it’s very important to understand that we’ve already lapped the price increases, the very aggressive price increases that we posted prior year and early this year. Third quarter, a little bit of what we saw was somewhat slightly more promotional activity given of inventories that were in the channel. As you know, second quarter is sometimes the strongest, because all of our retailers, all of our clients prepare for the promotional season. So, they load up an inventory, then comes the third quarter promotional season. And it’s not unusual that some of that inventory stays with them. So, there’s a little bit more promotional activity as the summer promotional season comes to an end.

Going forward, we expect again volume to be the main contributor, prices to stay at a little over last year, but pretty much in line with what just happened in the third quarter. And going forward for 2024, we expect volumes to continue to be healthy as a consumer, again, is showing to be resilient. And we will be defining what we want to do in pricing, most likely moving forth with some of it in the first quarter to be fully implemented by the second quarter of next year.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question will come from Jens Spiess with Morgan Stanley.

Jens Spiess

I just wanted to know if you could provide some more color on the export situation. Do you expect it to remain headwind next quarter or will the comparables be much easier going forward? And also, if you could give some color on FX, have you made any hedges whatsoever on your cost side? And let’s say, hypothetically, if the FX goes to I don’t 20, 21, would you be able to increase prices relatively quickly, or how the situation looks?

Pablo González

Thanks for the questions, Jens. On the export side, I mean, it’s two tales. One, if you remember the second quarter, both our exports of finished product and our exports of parent rolls were both lower than last year. We saw the first, so the exports of finished product rebound nicely in the third quarter, and we expect that to continue through the fourth quarter and into 2024. We are supplying more to our partner and it seems on a more consistent basis going forward. So, that part of the business will pick up nicely again fourth quarter and into 2024.

When it comes to parent roll sales, they will continue to be a headwind in the fourth quarter, not as big of a headwind as they were in the third quarter. I mean, it was really a big, big impact. They were more than half below last year. So, it was really a big, big impact in the third quarter. They will still be down in the fourth quarter, but not by as much. And as we get into next year, I think our volumes will be pretty much on par with what we were able to do first half of this year. But pricing will probably, be still a little bit lower given all the imports that we’re seeing from Asia into the U.S.

So, I would suspect that parent rolls will be a headwind for some quarters to come, but again, much, much less than they were in the third quarter of this year.

Xavier Cortés

Hi, Jens. On FX, I assume your question on hedges is on cost, but before that, let me -- just to make sure everyone is in line, say that we have all of the balance sheet hedged, so there’s no exposure there. And on costs and purchases, we have no hedges at this moment. As we’ve mentioned in the past, every peso that moves has an impact of approximately 150 basis points on our margin. As peso moves swiftly, can we -- could we be able to pass that on prices? That’s going to depend on a lot of factors. But if that puts pressure on everyone, we would definitely consider that.

Pablo González

And let me just add there very quickly that given our analysis, even if the peso was somewhere in the 19 range, we would still be seeing some improvements on our cost side. If it were to be above that, then as Xavier is saying, we would need to analyze situation, but most likely would move faster with pricing into the market.

Jens Spiess

Okay. So, the 19 having still a benefit is assuming all else equal in terms of pulp, recycled fibers, resins and et cetera?

Pablo González

Yes, just as we’re seeing them right now.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question will come from Pedro Fabregat with Compass. Your line is open.

Pedro Fabregat

Hi. Thanks a lot for taking my question. Just one quick question following up on Jens’s question. In terms of the level of inventories that you guys have, four or five or so of derivatives, what would you expect in terms of margins for the fourth quarter and 2024? Thank you.

Pablo González

As you know, we don’t give guidance on sales or margins. What I can tell you is, as we just mentioned during the call that we believe given how we expect some of the raw materials to behave in the coming quarters, that being pulp, recycled fibers, super absorbent materials and resins to continue to be favorable, and just fluff would be significantly higher than last year, then we would expect our trend on costs to continue through the fourth quarter and into 2024. Early to say still what we see for all of 2024 because as you know things are pretty volatile. But so far here for the near term, we continue to see a positive picture on our cost side.

Pedro Fabregat

And just one follow-up question on that answer. Does it make sense for you to increase the level of inventories, especially on fluff to defend somewhat the margins or it doesn’t make sense?

Pablo González

What we expect on fluff, it will be higher than last year in the fourth quarter. But sequentially, it should be a little bit better in the fourth quarter versus third quarter. So, on the contrary, we are trying to have very lean inventories on fluff so that we can take advantage of any prices coming down. But we are always taking a look at that to figure out whether it makes sense to have a little bit more inventories if we believe prices will go up or stay very, very lean on inventories when we believe that prices might be stable or come down. It’s more of the latter at this point than the former, again, because reduction in material prices has materialized, and fluff will be coming down from high levels, still higher than last year, but it will come down sequentially. So, we are trying to maintain our inventories as lean as possible to take advantage of any price decrease out in the market.

Operator

Our next question will come from Bob Ford with Bank of America. Your line is open.

Bob Ford

Congratulations on the results, and thanks for taking my question. Pablo, are you seeing any Asian imports in Mexico or just in the U.S.? And are you happy with your current market shares and industry pricing behavior? And how are sales across channels, especially the modern versus the traditional trade? And how do you expect the current investigation to impact asymmetries across clients and channels?

Pablo González

I hope I answer all of the questions, Bob, because that was -- quite a few of them. First, I think you asked about imports from Asia into Mexico. We’re seeing some of it, but mostly to the U.S. And again, what usually happens is on the second quarter, we use most of our capacity to produce finished product in Mexico, again, as sales pickup during that quarter in preparation for the summer promotional season. So, that means we walk away from the U.S. market to some extent. And in this case, as a logistics costs have come down and there’s quite a bit of capacity in Asia given that China has not popped as everyone expected after the COVID reopening, some of that capacity is finding its way into the U.S. and into markets that we participate in but that we retracted a little bit from in the second quarter.

So, as we started to come back in the third quarter, of course, there was some purchasing that had been done by some of our clients of products in Asia, and that made it a little bit harder to put our product into the U.S. It’s leveling off. It’s looking a little bit better here in October and going forward. But, again, most of the product going into the U.S., a little bit maybe coming into Mexico, but the majority is really going into the U.S.

In terms of just the dynamics out there, I mean, we are seeing -- as I mentioned or we saw a little bit more promotional activity to get rid of some of the inventories that were a hangover from the promotional season and during the summer but nothing too significant. And let’s see how fourth quarter behaves. But we expect a more -- a continued rational approach.

When it comes to being happy or satisfied with our shares, I mean, we’re gaining share in our most important categories but as we’ve said, we’re never satisfied. And we have a very, very aggressive innovation pipeline. And we’ll continue to act and support our brands aggressively out there and hope to continue to improve our shares in the coming quarters.

When it comes to the different channels, I think all of the channels are pretty much holding their ground. I think, they’re all doing a good job and all of them focusing on their strengths, and it’s a very competitive market, but so far we see growth in all of them. And going forward, we expect that to continue, again, because most of them are focused on their strengths and they’re executing well. And then when it comes to [indiscernible] I unfortunately cannot offer any comments on that matter, Bob. I hope you can understand that.

Did I answer all of the questions?

Bob Ford

Except the last one? I mean, I think that was the best question.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And our next question will come from Rodrigo Alcántara with UBS.

Rodrigo Alcántara

Two quick questions here, if I may. The first one would be if any -- how should we think about the dividend for next year? I know it’s too early to say, but just given the strong rebound in net income, what could be a fair assumption for next year?

And the second question would be, I mean for Pablo, Xavier. I mean, it looks like all the stars are getting aligned right now for the COGS environment, looks like, I mean, the only one that it’s giving you still some troubles is fluff, right, as you said that and energy. I mean, just curious here, I mean, when looking about industry reports, it’s kind of like pulp price is coming down significantly, like rates are 30%, 35% in dollar terms. Just curious if this is -- I mean, close to what you are essentially seeing there at the ground, what you are experiencing there in your negotiation with suppliers, or there are some other considerations there to be as longer term contract or something that could make this picture different to the number that I see on pulp prices for instance? Those would be my two questions.

Pablo González

Sure. First, on the dividend, as you know and you mentioned this early, early to say, but just it’s important to remind everyone that in our case, I mean, the payment of dividends is linked to retained earnings, which will be strong this year. So maybe what I can say, again, reminding everyone that it’s early, it’s that we will probably move forward with a dividend that will mean a increase in real terms versus a dividend of last year. But again, that’s something we will take a look in January, February, so that we can take to the Board and then to the shareholders’ meeting. But, we’re excited with where we see that going.

Two, when it comes to costs, I mean, yes, the costs of fibers and pulp and some resins have come down. Let’s just remember that they’re coming down from historical highs. So, we saw an incredible uptick of about 15 to 18 months, and now we’ve seen those prices come down significantly from those high levels.

What will happen going forward, really hard to tell. I mean, what we see most recently here in the market is that prices are stabilizing. There’s some efforts by some industry participants to increase prices, particularly in China with little to no true impact so far. But there’s no doubt that they will continue to try to move that forth. But at this point, probably stability is what I can say about the costs. Now, what it means that -- what that means going forward, as you know, there’s -- we use a mix of contracts and spot buying in the market. So, we’ll be very diligent and try and negotiate with our suppliers as we always do the best prices available in the market, and we’ll determine how much we put in contracts and how much we leave out for spot markets depending on how we feel this can behave going forward. So, we’re right in the process of some of those negotiations and we’ll see how that turns out for 2024.

Rodrigo Alcántara

Yes. That’s helpful. And I know that you don’t hedge for pulp, or I don’t know, actually there exists hedge there.

Pablo González

No.

Rodrigo Alcántara

But are you able to perhaps fix at fixed prices for that, like long term with suppliers or something that can be done on the contracts?

Pablo González

There’s a whole bunch of options. I mean, you can negotiate a contract with a fixed price. Sometimes we negotiate contracts where there’s a fixed formula, so -- and it adjusts every quarter. So depending what’s happening in the market, it reflects some of the increases or decreases, maybe not all of them, but again, it’s a combination of what you negotiate and again, what you put into contracts and what you leave as a spot buying. And it really depends on how we believe thing -- prices will behave. To the extent we believe that prices will continue to go lower, then we leave a little bit more spot margin for us to purchase some of them out there. So again, early for 2024, the process of analyzing it and negotiating, but we expect for the short term and into 2024, a stability in prices as we see them right now.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question will come from Luis Willard with GBM.

Luis Willard

So just a quick one, Pablo, and a follow-up on exports. I mean, as you stated, it’s a two-tale story, one, volume from rolls coming down, but perhaps compensated with better margins from sales of finished products. So, delving into 2024 and from a strategic point of view, how do you assess both things? I mean, perhaps it makes a bit more sense from a profitability point of view, having more share of finished products, but I don’t know what are your thoughts there. Thank you.

Pablo González

Sure, Luis. I mean, it’s always better for us to sell finished product than just tissue parent rolls. But remember, it’s really a -- what we sell in parent rolls is just the capacity we have that we cannot convert into a finished product because of demand. So, it’s a safety valve, if you will, that we can always put this tissue parent rolls in the U.S. and get some for it, and of course, with all of the advantages that it brings with using all of our capacity, so all of the advantages and costs. But no doubt, the more we can put in finished product, the better are sales and the better are margins.

Operator

Our next question will come from Juan Guzman [ph] with Deutsche Bank. Your line is open.

Unidentified Analyst

Good morning, Pablo, Xavier, Salvador and whole team there. Congrats on the quarter results and thanks for the space for questions. Some of my questions have already been answered. So I just have a follow-up on the cost performance. I am sorry if this has already been asked before. To understand this better, in terms of contribution, what would you say were the main drivers for gross margin expansion between pricing and commodity costs during the quarter, and in which magnitude? In the past quarter, you mentioned that most of the gains came from the pricing side. So, I would like to understand how this performed in Q3 and what would you expect going forward? Thank you very much.

Pablo González

Thanks for the question. I mean, again, it is a combination. On the one you have higher volumes, which of course of help in terms of efficiencies. We also have higher prices, and then you have raw materials coming down and then FX comparing favorably versus last year. So, it’s really the four components that came together, and that’s why we were able to post strong increases and strong margins for the quarter.

We expect volumes to continue to add to this going forward. We will monitor prices to see what it is we need to do on that front. And we expect both raw materials and FX, of course, to continue to be positive going forward. So, hopefully, we can have the whole formula contribute in the coming quarters, as it did in this third quarter.

Operator

Thank you. And at this time, there are no further questions in the queue.

Pablo González

Thank you all for participating in the call. Glad to take any further questions that you might have. If you can just let us know, give us a call and I am glad to get on the line with you. And I hope you all have a tremendous end to the year and look forward to talking to you early in 2024. Thanks so much.

Operator

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. This concludes today’s program, and we appreciate your participation. You may disconnect at anytime.

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