PANDY - Pandora A/S (PNDZF) CEO Alexander Lacik on Q2 2022 Results - Earnings Call Transcript
Pandora A/S (PNDZF)
Q2 2022 Earnings Conference Call
August 16, 2022 05:00 AM ET
Company Participants
John Backman - Investor Relations
Alexander Lacik - Chief Executive Officer
Anders Boyer - Chief Financial Officer
Conference Call Participants
Fredrik Ivarsson - ABG
Martin Brenoe - Nordea
Lars Topholm - Carnegie
Klaus Kehl - Nykredit
Freddie Wild - Jefferies
Anne-Laure Bismuth - HSBC
Karina Nugent - Goldman Sachs
Presentation
John Backman
Good morning, everyone. Welcome to the conference call for Pandora's Q2 2022 Results. I'm John Backman from the Investor Relations team. I'm joined here in Copenhagen today by our CEO, Alexander Lacik; and our CFO, Anders Boyer; and the rest of the IR team Kristoffer Malmgren and Adam Fuglsang.
There will be a Q&A session at the end of the call. As usual, please limit your questions to two at a time, and then kindly get back into the queue, if you have additional questions.
Slide 2 please. Please pay a notice to the disclaimer on slide 2 and then turn to slide 3, and Alexander, please go ahead.
Alexander Lacik
Thank you, John, and welcome everyone who are joining us today. I'm happy to start out by saying that, we have had another record revenue quarter. In fact, it's the third consecutive record quarter. Compared to a clean base in 2019, the organic growth in Q2 was 17%, this despite China dragging down the growth by seven percentage points.
In fact, halfway into the year, we can say that, we have performed very well and managed to absorb significant headwinds in a number of areas, including COVID restricted China, seizing our business in Russia and Belarus, high inflation and cost pressure on energy and raw.
We consider the growth to be of high quality underpinned by strong performance in our core Moments platform. The execution of our growth strategy Phoenix is progressing very well. As you know, we unfold a number of strategic initiatives, including things like network expansion, new store concept development, and a new customer loyalty program just to name a few. These are all on track.
Our business model continues to deliver profitable and cash-generating growth. In the quarter, EBIT margin landed at 22.1%, and the underlying EBIT margin development was strong. Overall, and in spite of the macro headwinds, trading in the quarter was in line with our plan, and we're on track to deliver as guided.
Today, we're also proud to announce the launch of lab-created diamonds in North America. This is also our first collection step in 100% recycled silver and gold. The launch is a transformative move both in terms of business and sustainability.
Now, let's move to slide 4, please. Well, key takeaway from this slide is that, our guidance remains unchanged. For the full year of 2022, organic growth is expected to be in the 4% to 6% range, while EBIT margin is expected to be 25% to 25.5%. We'll provide a more detailed perspective on our assumptions later in the call. There is no doubt that, there is elevated uncertainty in the world around us, but we believe we can navigate this within our guidance.
Slide 6, please. Before we dive into the Q2 results, I'd like to give a brief update on the four main building blocks of our growth strategy Phoenix. We're executing strongly which confirms the potential ahead of us. The first and most important growth pillar is driving higher brand desire.
We continue to see solid traction during key gifting periods most recently in Mother's Day and this is an encouraging sign of brand relevance. Collaborations with other big brands such as Disney is a way to build awareness and drive brand desirability more.
Finally, the brand experience, we offer in our concept stores and online is, of course essential to drive higher brand desire. Today, our customers enjoy the shopping experience and we believe it sets us apart in the affordable luxury segment. We'll continue to evolve the shopping experience.
Secondly, in the design pillar, the focus is on driving the core, while fueling the brand with more. Pandora Moment is the core of Pandora and continues to show its vitality. It did a solid growth, helped by innovations, such as the new model collection for instance. To fill the brand with more, we last year re-launched Pandora ME. And today, we are fueling with even more with the launch of our lab-created diamonds in North America, the world's largest diamond market, but more on that a little bit later.
Moving on the third growth pillar is personalization. Here, we're improving the omni-channel experience to offer consumers a more personalized path to purchase journey. Our online channel performance continues to be very good. The testing of our new store concept is well underway and the launch of our new customer loyalty program in France is off to a strong start.
The fourth and final pillar is about growing our core markets. This includes both increasing our network and growing the existing one. As we will talk more about later our network development is starting to become more visible in the numbers, driving profitable growth.
Slide 7 please. As you know, Moments including collaborations is today 75% of our business, and it's our clear ambition to continue to grow it. As part of the Phoenix growth initiatives, we're also creating new platforms alongside Moments with the launch and leverage mindset. This means we're putting more support behind new initiatives than we did in the past with the aim that the new platform should reach at least 5% of revenue.
We have announced two new platforms our lab-created diamond collection Pandora Brilliance, which I'll go in more details with shortly and Pandora ME. ME is aimed at Gen Z, which has gained solid traction in Continental European markets but still need to gain stronger traction, for instance, US and UK.
It's clear that establishing new and enduring platform takes time. The model with test markets works well as we have done with Brilliance in the UK. As the platforms develop and mature, we are closely monitoring the progress to adjust as we go as well as assessing the true potential.
Next slide please. Our largest platform Moments was a key driver of growth in Q2, delivering a 4% sell-out growth versus 2021 and 11% versus 2019. The performance was supported by strong Mother's Day trading. Moments was also supported by collaborations, not least the new Marvel collaboration with Disney. Collabs continued the very strong traction from Q1 and was up 34% in Q2 versus last year. There are more products from the Marvel Universe launching later this year.
Next slide please. As I mentioned, today we announced that we're launching Diamonds by Pandora in North America. It will be traded under the category name Diamonds by Pandora. And this is to mark that we anticipate further collections to be launched under the larger umbrella concept. This is another important milestone on our mission to democratize the jewelry market of which diamonds is a significant part.
We have generated important learnings from the UK test launch and that truly helped us sharpen the North America launch cloud. We're very excited about this opportunity. The diamond jewelry is DKK 600 billion market globally, and lab-created diamonds are a growing part of that. North America is not only where we have our largest geographical presence, it's also the largest market for lab-created diamonds. We believe we have a unique position with our retail footprint, brand awareness and understanding of our customer base.
Diamonds by Pandora will be available in 269 stores in North America and online starting August 25. Prices will start at US$ 300 with stones from 0.15 up to one carat. There are two things which I'd like to highlight with this launch. First, we bring you very attractive design for our customers at an accessible price point. We continue to focus on the self-purchaser rather than the bridal market and we believe our concept is far more unique in this space.
Secondly, this launch marks significant progress on our strategic ambition to be a low carbon and circular business and leading our industry in sustainability. The diamonds are grown, cuts and polished using only renewable energy, and it's also the first collection set in a 100% recycled silver and gold from Pandora. All of this results in a very low carbon footprint.
Our diamonds have a carbon footprint for only 5% that of a mined diamond. In the press release, we sent out this morning, you can see additional data points on the strong sustainability profile. I think we're helping set the bar for the jewelry industry when it comes to sustainability and show where the industry can go in the future.
Next slide please. Now, let's have a look at our core markets. Our US business continued to deliver strong growth versus 2019. As expected, it's down versus 2021, since we're comping the unusual effect on last year's stimulus checks. We have said all along that we expect the US market to slow down this year and that was included in our guidance.
Our key European markets had very strong growth in Q2 and all of them delivered double-digit growth versus 2021. France and Germany represent great growth opportunities for Pandora since our market share is well below that of more established markets like Italy and UK for instance.
Australia was up 3 points versus 2021 and we expect Australia to be a bigger source of growth in the second half of the year since they were severely impacted by COVID-19 during that period of last year, hence cycling a weaker base. China was weak as expected and severely impacted by reduced traffic due to COVID-19 restrictions.
Now let's have a quick look at the rest of Pandora on the next slide please. Rest of Pandora accounts for 28% of the overall business and had an organic growth in the quarter of 26% versus 2021. The biggest markets here are Spain, Mexico, and Canada. And I want to give you a bit more color on these markets since they represent good opportunities for future growth.
Spain had a revenue of almost DKK 0.25 billion in the quarter equal to France in 2021. Spain had revenue of DKK 900 million but trending higher this year. Last year we converted 44 franchise shopping shops to Pandora owned with very good results. Mexico had revenue in the quarter of DKK 185 million, which is more than China in fact and delivered 49% organic growth in the quarter versus 2021. Mexico is approaching an DKK 800 million of revenue in the year and we have – still have an opportunity to expand our network.
In Q2, we opened up 25 shopping shops in LatAm, of which 13 actually were in Mexico. Canada delivered 44% organic growth in the quarter. We have strong opportunities here as well to grow our market share and brand awareness.
Next slide please. At the Capital Markets Day last year, we told you about how developing the network is an important source of revenue growth. I want to follow up on this since we're starting to see meaningful incremental revenue from our network expansion and forward integration. We expect to open net 100 to 150 stores until 2023 and store openings are EBIT margin accretive. The stores we opened in 2021 are now tracking at roughly 40% EBIT margin in the first half of 2022.
There's also a short payback of roughly one year on the CapEx investment and new lease contracts are in most cases quite flexible and include regular break clauses. Forward integration added one percentage point to revenue in Q2, mainly driven by store acquisitions in the US. We always assess potential takeovers on a case-by-case basis. If we do a deal, it's roughly EBIT margin neutral and has a short payback. Next slide please.
As mentioned, one of the key growth pillars in our strategy is personalization, creating a true omnichannel experience. As part of this we are testing a new store concept called Evoke. So far we have opened up 12 stores across five of our key markets being US, China, UK, Italy and Germany. It's still early days but we can see that customers spend more time in the store and this obviously opens up for more engagement opportunities with our sales staff.
The new stores have outperformed during peak periods and the sell-out growth in the new stores is also slightly higher than in our other stores. This indicates to us that Evoke concept works very well. We are planning to open up 35 more stores in the – Evoke stores I should say in the second half of the year and then we'll scale it further in the next year.
Slide – next slide, please. Before I hand it over to Anders, I would like to comment on another key enabler in the personalization journey, our new customer loyalty program called My Pandora. We told you about the launch in France last quarter and so far it has showed strong results. Roughly 0.25 million consumers have already signed up and more than 60% of them have already made a purchase.
While it's early days, we have also noted improvement in basket size, which is up by 18% and units per transaction up by 27%. Now these data points will need more time to mature, but clearly early days the business case continues to seem very sound. We get access to quality consumer data more effectively and this allows for creating a stronger bond to the brand. We can personalize our marketing activities and also target our media efforts much better.
Finally, My Pandora is also a key enabler in developing our omnichannel experience both on and off-line, as it actually allows our store staff to easily identify consumer interest and purchase history. We will launch My Pandora in more markets in 2023. And on that note, I hand over to Anders for a closer look at the numbers.
Anders Boyer
Thank you, Alexander and please go to Slide 16. The key message for our second quarter financials is that they were in line with our expectations. I'll cover a bit more on revenue and EBIT on the following slide. So on this slide, I'll just give a few comments on some other KPIs.
Our gross margin remained strong at 76.4%, in the quarter and that's despite 180 basis points of headwinds versus last year from commodity prices and a temporary drag from forward integration that we have made -- and when I say that, then it also means that the gross margin on a run rate basis should be higher than in the second quarter, when we look forward.
You probably remember that during the last quarters, we have deliberately built inventories to mitigate the risk of supply chain disruptions and we did that in the second quarter, as well. We are now broadly where we want to be on inventory levels, but we do expect inventories to increase a bit further in the third quarter, as usual as we prepare for the peak trading season in Q4.
And the decision to increase inventories will of course, have a temporary negative impact on the cash conversion. We have received some questions about whether some of the higher inventories represent at risk going forward on discounting. And I think, we should address that upfront I'd say a clear, no. The inventories that we have built is, on our high runners. So this is sort of a net working capital question, only if I can put it like that.
And Alexander already told you about the investments that we're making in our business, as part of Phoenix, and that is also visible in the CapEx level, as you can see on the slide here then CapEx is double up in percent of revenue versus last year. And then just finally, I would like to highlight a number, which is not on this slide and that's the announced share buybacks and the dividend that we will be doing in 2022. And those -- the total payout to shareholders that we have announced, equals around 10% of our current market cap.
We go to the next slide, please, Slide 17. That's the revenue performance in the second quarter that we have on this slide. As you know, we guide on organic growth and it came in at three points in the second quarter, and that's the black bar in the middle of this bridge. And as Alexander said, that equals 17% organic growth versus 2019.
The organic growth was driven both by sellout of two points. That's the first light gray a box on the bridge here ,and network expansion adding two points also to the growth. As Alexander mentioned, growing the network is a core part of the Phoenix strategy and it is becoming visible in the numbers.
As you know, we have ceased business in Russia and Belarus, and this drags down the organic growth by around one point in the second quarter to come together with a couple of other minor factors. Forward integration, also supported revenue growth by one point. It's mainly stores in the US.
And the one point shown here, as forward integration, is the part of forward integration where some kind of goodwill is paid. And therefore, it is not included in the organic growth. And then finally, when you move right in the bridge here to get to the 10% total reported revenue growth, then you can see that that's quite some foreign exchange tailwind of six points in the quarter.
Then go to Slide 18, please, on the EBIT margin bridge. There's quite some moving parts in this EBIT margin bridge in the quarter, but the key message that we want to pass on is what we have in the dotted box in the middle here, showing that there's a slight improvement in the underlying EBIT margin versus the second quarter of last year.
And that improvement came from a combination of operating leverage and from some gross margin efficiencies, which was then partially offset by our continued reinvestment in the business. And this is how -- in essence how we see our business, as you know, there are some operating leverage, as we grow leverage on our cost base. And then we reinvest some of that or all of that leverage in strengthening the business and driving future growth.
Outside of the dotted box, we have isolated some temporary factors impacting the margin both last year to the left, and this year to the right. And if you look at the elements to the left, I want to give just a comment on the block that is called net impact of store closures and US stimulus.
Last year, the EBIT margin was impacted by these opposing factors that last year this would be EBIT margin by roughly net 1 percentage points, due to the elevated growth based on the US government stimulus packages that we saw last year. Obviously, it's not exact science and you should view this 1 point as directional only, but has no doubt that net-net it's a drag on the EBIT margin compared to last year.
Then if you look at the element to the right, that's the temporary factors this year, then most importantly, there is a drag from forward integration as we bought back inventory at wholesale value. And this is as most of you probably know at three to six months temporary drag where we take over a partner store.
And then let's go to Slide 20 please and the guidance -- the '22 guidance. The second quarter trading was inline with our plan and we keep our guidance unchanged. And then I just want to stress what Alexander already said that the macroeconomic outlook obviously is associated with elevated uncertainty. The overall guidance is unchanged, but we have made some smaller tweaks to the underlying sort of sources of growth. And I'll just give a comment on that.
On the one hand we have increased the guidance from network expansion from one to two points -- last quarter to two points. And then on the other hand, we see a slightly lower sell-in to the partner channel. And that includes the fact that we have seen the business in Russia and Belarus. But there's also a couple of other smaller factors. But as you can see, it's in the roundings and decimals between minus 1 point and 0 impact on the organic growth this year.
We've also made some smaller changes to the directional growth assumptions, that's the assumption that you can see in the pink box on the slide here. And the short version of the assumptions in the pink box is that, we have adjusted the growth assumptions for the US down a touch. And then we have the assumptions for the rest of Pandora is up a touch, but the total is the same the guidance is unchanged.
Another thing we just want to highlight as sort of ahead of the second half of the year is that, the sources of growth in the second half would be different than in the first half of the year. There will be some shift in the -- which countries are contributing to growth. Europe will obviously be comping a more normal, second half of 2021 without COVID closures.
And then on the other hand, Australia will have quite easy comps due to the lockdowns especially in the third quarter of last year. And then China will also be facing easier comps, but will still be a drag on the total Pandora growth in the second half of the year.
Then let's move to the EBIT margin on Slide 21. The EBIT margin guidance is unchanged as well. The fourth quarter will be the most profitable quarter of the year inline with the normal seasonality and that should probably not be a surprise. But I want to highlight that due to a better phasing on both revenue and cost, the Q4 margin is expected to be relatively stronger than last year and the third quarter margin a little bit lower. In reality, it's more like sort of normal -- if you look back in the past and not just back to last year then the seasonality we are getting into is actually just more normal for Pandora, but I just wanted to highlight that.
Then Slide 22 and the implied guidance for the rest of the year. The 4% to 6% organic growth for the full year implies organic growth for the rest of the year of between minus 1 and plus 2. That's what you can see in the upper part of the slide. And then in the lower part, you can see that this is equal to between 12 and 16 points versus 2019 in the second half of the year.
And that's just two things we wanted to mention here. First of all, and this is important the lower end of the guidance is most likely to come into play only if we see a further worsening of the macroeconomic environment. Secondly, we want to highlight that in terms of growth versus 2019 then the third quarter is expected to be lower than Q4. And this is also what we saw last year where the Q4 growth was six points higher than the third quarter. And then as you can see in the first bullet about EBIT margin on the slide here, then the implied EBIT margin for the rest of the year is 27% to 28%, and thereby roughly 50 to 150 basis points above last year.
And with that, I'll hand it back to Alexander and please go to Slide 24.
Alexander Lacik
Thanks Anders. So, quickly summarize, Q2 was the third straight quarter with a record revenue, which we're very pleased with. Execution of our strategy Phoenix is progressing well with many initiatives. We saw profitable growth in the quarter and we left our guidance unchanged, as Anders just went through, despite the challenging business environment. We're launching a Diamonds by Pandora in North America an important milestone on our mission to democratize to jewelry markets.
And finally, I'm delighted to share with you that we found our new Chief Marketing Officer to help us achieve our growth ambitions. Mary Carmen brings standout experience in building expanding and turning around global consumer brands. And I'm confident that she will be a key contributor in doing just that. She'll be joining us later in the fall.
And on that note, we're ready for the Q&A session. Operator, please go ahead.
Question-and-Answer Session
Operator
Thank you. [Operator Instructions] The first question is from the line of Fredrik Ivarsson from ABG. Please go ahead. Your line will now be unmuted.
Fredrik Ivarsson
Thank you very much. Hi, Alexander and Anders. I've got two questions to Anders I believe. And the first one on the inventory level, you stated you plan to increase that in Q3 further, which will probably take you to some 17% as a share of sales. Where do you expect that ratio to sit in the end of Q4? That's my first question.
And then the second one on the margin guidance, because in Q1 you helped us a little bit to quantify the headwinds from inflation. Have you done any changes to those assumptions? And reason for us in is partly that raw material prices are down I guess 6% 7% since then. So I would expect some tailwinds from low raw mats since you weren't fully hedged for especially Q3 and Q4. That's the second question.
Anders Boyer
Thank you Fredrik for those two questions. Maybe let me just start with the last one. In Q1, we said that there will be a total of DKK 200 million in inflation -- half inflation impact and half extraordinary costs. And the extraordinary cost was related to the ceasing of business in Russia and Belarus. And then the other DKK 50 million was related to the COVID-19 measures in China, but on the first market the DKK 100 million of cost, it's true that the energy prices and some raw material prices are down a bit. But the big one silver or the big one -- two ones silver and gold.
We're hedging so roughly one year forward so the decline that we've seen in silver prices, which is the main metal that we've seen since, I guess, it was June or July that it started. It will only help us from the middle-ish 2023 going forward, but just elaborating a touch on that the silver prices in our guidance for this year. And that number again fixed because of the hedging that we're doing is just around US$25. And with the current silver price just a touch above US$20 -- when I look at it this morning US$20 then that gives US$5 of tailwind as a run rate in a year's time and that's almost 150 basis points of margin tailwind compared to 2021 -- sorry 2022 on a run rate basis. So, it is a meaningful money, but net-net for this year, the DKK100 million that we announced that in May is pretty much unchanged.
Then on the inventories you should expect that inventories by the end of this year is lower than the number that we are sitting with going out of Q2. We are already building up and producing ahead of peak season going out of the second quarter. We will continue doing that in the third quarter. And then we'll sell a lot of that during the fourth quarter as usual. So, I think it will end with an inventory level that is in percent of revenue is higher than last year. We will look but not into the 16.9% level that we saw going out of the second quarter.
Fredrik Ivarsson
Perfect. Thanks Anders. Very clear.
Operator
The next question will be from the line of Martin Brenoe from Nordea. Please go ahead, your line will now be unmuted.
Martin Brenoe
Hi. Thank you so much for taking my questions and congrats on another record quarter. I have two questions and then I'll jump back in the line please. The first question would be can you comment on anything on the momentum in the or perhaps you have previously said something about I guess you got the July numbers. So, any comments on current trading would be highly appreciated.
Then my second question would be you have so many, many things going on right now and I guess you cannot spend your management time on anything or everything on an equal basis, so can you just help me understand what's taking most of your time and your resources at the moment? Thank you.
Anders Boyer
I'll start out Martin. Thanks for those two questions. Yes, on the momentum current trading, we don't see any major signs of a softening consumer sentiment. All of our retail metrics if you go through them basket size including traffic conversion are staying intact. So, that's important to say.
And of course when we do and don't go out this morning and confirm our guidance, we are both taking the momentum going out of the second quarter into consideration. We have taken the trading in July into consideration. We have taken the trading all the way up until yesterday into consideration. That's important to say.
And then I think we would like to stress that we have specifically said that in order to end in the low end of our guidance we need to see a worsening of the environment compared to where we are today. I hope that helps.
Martin Brenoe
It does, thanks.
Alexander Lacik
Hi Martin, it's Alexander here. It's a great question. I got the same question from the Board yesterday, so it's top of mind. But in simple terms ,it's very much what we laid out in the Phoenix strategy. There's a huge focus on the base platform. So, Moments and Innovation and execution of our Moments platform that is the kind of number one priority for us.
Second part I would say the introduction of the Diamonds by Pandora in North America. That's been a big focus because it is an important step for us. Third, as we alluded to in the presentation up front here is network development, which includes opening new stores relocating to better locations of existing network as well as there's been a fair amount of activity on forward integration recently.
Fourth point is we continue the digital development and there are two strands to that one is the consumer facing like the loyalty program which I mentioned. And then there's enterprise development when it comes to ERP and a few of our kind of core systems that we are still working on upgrading.
And I think what's different this year probably from the last let's say 18 months or so is that the last year we were thinking a lot what comes after Programme NOW and of course, that eventually led up to the Phoenix program. Now, my sense is that we moved much more into focusing on execution of the Phoenix program.
Now my sense is that we moved much more into focusing on execution of the Phoenix program. So we're very restrictive in adding new things to the list, but we're focused on delivering the stuff that we have in front of us. And if you remember from the Phoenix program we said there were kind of four growth pillars. So we're kind of doubling down on those and really not trying to get distracted with M&A is one topic obviously which is always out there. But we've kind of refrained from that and now we're focused on executing the Phoenix plan. I don't know if that helps, but that's kind of what I would see from my vantage point.
Martin Brenoe
It's very clear. Thank you so much, Alexander. I will jump back in the line. Thank you.
Operator
The next question will be from the line of Lars Topholm from Carnegie. Please go ahead. Your line will now be unmuted.
Lars Topholm
Yes. A couple of questions on my side. One goes to Slide 10 because one way of pricing temporary store closures is of course what percentage of stores were closed, but I get slightly concerned when I look at organic growth and how many more open stores you have in the quarter. I mean, an example, if 60% of German stores were closed in Q2 last year, it means Q2 this year mathematically you have 150% more open stores, but your organic growth is only 18%. In Italy, mathematically, you have 20% more open store, you only grow 15%. And likewise in France, you have 89% more open stores, but only grow 13%. And in France, you are in fact down versus 2019. So I wonder if there's something I'm missing or your like-for-like is contracting significantly in these markets?
And then a question on what you just mentioned Anders on your full year guidance, just to make sure I understand it correctly. If macro deteriorates, there could be downside to guidance, or is it if current trading deteriorates i.e. is guidance based on current trading continuing unchanged? In that connection, what should we specifically expect for the US where -- if I look at last year your peak was probably in Q2, does that mean we should assume that the US momentum has troughed in Q2 and now should improve? Thanks.
Anders Boyer
On the first question Lars, then we're going to have to get into an exercise, which maybe we can do in a separate call. But what -- there are a couple of assumptions one need to now be mindful of, because traffic obviously will shift between physical stores and online as you know and that varies in different countries to a varying degree. So just kind of assuming there's a linear relationship between store open or closed and the revenue will sit in there probably isn't entirely correct. So -- but -- I mean it's a more complex question than to answer here. We certainly do not see a like-for-like crash like you hinted. I think it's sound growth that we're experiencing in Continental Europe, of course helped by the fact that some other stores were closed last year, but it's not as simple as taking those percentages that you throw back at us. But I'm happy to kind of have that in a separate session, so we can try to do some intelligent math on that.
Lars Topholm
Yeah. I understand that. I understand that. If I can just maybe ask in a less complex way. If I just take your revenue in Italy and France then in Italy you are now 18% up versus Q2 2019. Previous quarter you were 32% up versus the same quarter in 2019. In France, you are minus 4%, you were plus 16% in the previous quarter. So full respect of shifts between channels et cetera, but why shouldn't I interpret those numbers as if you're losing momentum at least in those two markets?
Anders Boyer
Let me start out with Germany. This is probably the most extreme. It's true that organic growth in Germany was 18%, but actually look at sell-out year-over-year in Germany it was plus 42%. And that number is maybe easier to relate to when you look at the store numbers and closures in Germany last year. And if you go through each of the countries like that there's specific stores like that. And it is quite cumbersome still to do year-over-year comparisons not least due to the pandemic impact last year, but again Germany being the one that stands out the most.
In France, we've actually been doing quite okay in our own channels in the second quarter. The partner channel less so. We did have a -- one of our larger partners that ran into some issues, and I think it was actually fraud issues in his business and that impact is that business getting to -- I don't know where there was a complete standstill but at least very low level both from sell-in an organic growth perspective in the second quarter that impacted the number that you are -- we have sitting on slide number 10.
But I think all of these numbers is in line with what we have expected. That's why we go out and actually confirm the guidance today. And specifically on Europe what we do with the guidance today we are notching that up a little bit. US down a bit as I said and then Europe and the rest of the world up a bit.
So all of this is exactly in line with our plans, but what is the -- that was current trading. That was the other question. Yeah, I should probably qualify a bit what I said about the macro. We -- there's already a bit of macro headwind built into the guidance that we have shown in that pink box on slide number 20 that's already sits in there. So for what I think is probably right -- it would have to be a very visible and significant change in the macro environment in order for us to point towards the lower end of the guidance that I think will probably be -- it would be quite a change compared to what we see in Q2 and going out of Q2. And after Q2, it will have to be quite a change to the trading environment before we look towards the lower end of the guidance.
Lars Topholm
That's fair. I understand. Of course, I understand you can't tell us everything. I'm just still a little uncertain. I mean, I understand current trading is part of why you guide us you're right. I would still be extremely curious to know if current trading is better or worse or on par with what you saw in Q2, because that makes us better able to define what we think instead of just penciling in what you guys see with all due respect of course. So I wonder if you can give some comment on current trading versus Q2 if it's better or worse or in line.
Anders Boyer
If you go back to Q1 -- our Q1 announcement then what we said, we guided zero to two points of organic growth for the rest of the year, meaning Q2 free fall. We are a notch above that in the realized numbers for Q2, but we keep the comment unchanged. And that means basically that we are trading around that a couple of points plus in terms of organic growth. Q3 might be a notch below that, Q4 a notch above that, but we are just in that territory exactly like what we said when we came with the Q1 announcement three months ago. And then you asked about the US, the comp base is the most difficult one in the quarter that we have behind us now in the second quarter. And I'm just refreshing my mind online here, but if you look at the US organic growth last year in Q2, Q3, Q4, it was in round numbers. It was 80% growth in Q2 versus 2019, 60% -- just around 60% in the third quarter and 40% in Q4. So the comp base is becoming a little bit easier as we go through the year in the U.S.
Lars Topholm
Okay. I understand, but I realize, it's probably me being incredibly stupid here, but I still don't understand the answer so my question about current trading. I understand what you say about what you imply for the rest of the year. But the question is has current trading been better or worse or in line with Q2?
Anders Boyer
What I actually just said is that, it's in line with Q2. So in line what …
Lars Topholm
Okay. I understand now. Okay. I just didn't understand it before.
Anders Boyer
…and we're trading around this that we have guided zero to 2% organic growth in both Q2 three and four. And that's where -- what we delivered in the second quarter and that's where we are heading.
Lars Topholm
Okay, crystal clear. Thank you very much guys for taking my questions.
Operator
The next question will be from the line of [indiscernible] from Citi. Please go ahead. Your line will now be unmuted.
Unidentified Analyst
Hi. Thank you for taking my question. I have two questions, please. The first one on the promotional environment, could you give us some color on how promotional activity evolved particularly in the third quarter so far?
We saw some good level of discounts particularly on your U.S. website. So wanted to understand how that promotional activity has evolved in third quarter so far?
And the second one is on pricing. You alluded to small price increases in your previous conference call. So have you passed on any slight price increases, or have there been any meaningful changes in the mix? Any color there would be helpful? Thank you.
Alexander Lacik
Yeah. I think we need to be careful in these calls of entering into the quarter in which we're trading. I know why you're asking, but it's -- this is a Q2 announcement. So I will have to just bear that in mind. So you will have details on Q3 trading, when we come to the Q3 announcement.
But the promotion, in general if I look at the first half of the year we are not increasing our promotion. We are in fact, continue to detox in a couple of places. So in general, if I would do a global assessment, we'll probably have less promotional pressure overall so far this year.
And then on pricing, as we said in the last call, we'd be looking to make some surgical moves. And we have done a few, but it's on a limited amount of items. We're not touching opening price points that -- so that's part of our strategy.
It's important for us to remain an affordable brand. So therefore, -- and also as Anders said the cost increase on the supply side is not major. So we don't feel pressured to pass on big price increases like, we are reading about in the newspaper some other companies and brands are forced to do.
We do not have that type of pressure. So staying with kind of our strategic pricing strategy is important. And we have made some surgical moves on certain items, typically a little bit higher priced items, a little bit more of the complex items.
Unidentified Analyst
Thank you. Just a follow-up on promotional activity, so when you say that you are facing less promotional pressure, are you talking about the number of days or the intensity i.e. the magnitude of promotions?
Anders Boyer
I mean, we have -- the promotional calendar now a days is a bit more let's say, standardized across, whereas in the past there was a lot of different things going on across the globe. With our global merchandising function we have now tried to be a bit more fact based around what works and whatnot. So in general it's the intensity it's similar to last year give or take, but the number of days in a few geographies, have been reduced.
Unidentified Analyst
Thank you.
Operator
The next question will be from the line of Klaus Kehl from Nykredit. Please go ahead. Your line will now be unmuted.
Klaus Kehl
Yes. Hello. Klaus Kehl from Nykredit. A question related to this Diamonds by Pandora. I guess, it's a pretty interesting product and it's a big market that you can tap into, but I must say that, at least I have some problems when I try to think about what this could turn into over, let's say, the next two or three years. So could you give us any feedback from retailers or consumers in the US? And, yes, anything you could share with us to get a feeling for what this could turn out to be? Thank you very much.
Alexander Lacik
Yes. So, of course, we haven't launched it yet in the US. So there's no consumer feedback other than what we've done in the research phase a-year-and-a-half ago. So I don't have any kind of live data from that. Then we have, of course, from our franchise partners and some of the wholesale partners that will carry the line.
So there's some feedback that we have received but there's nothing out of the ordinary, I would say, there's be more discussion on, let's say, the business model given the inventory level that the value of the inventory is a little bit different than from the normal Pandora business, let's say. So there's been some conversations on how we can manage that in a smart way, but that's kind of on the backroom conversations.
On -- from an expectation, I mean, what we've said for any of our new platforms, our expectations is for that to be sustainable it needs to hit around about 5% share of business. This is not exact science, but at that level we’d have critical mass for the collection to -- so that we can afford supporting it with marketing, supporting it with the appropriate amount of space in the stores and appropriate attention from the organization, let's say. Some collections will get there faster than others. So that's kind of a general statement.
Then if we look at the diamond market, I mean, there's a Bain study suggesting that the size of the global market is roughly DKK 84 billion out of the DKK 600 million -- billion that I was mentioning. Of that, the largest market in the world is the US. Here there are some different data points flying around, but it's at least a a-third if not more of that DKK 84 billion sits in the US. And all that piece today there is 6% to 8% of the market is in lab-created diamonds.
If you then look at the growth rates in the last two years, the lab-created diamonds have been growing 3x clip that of mined. So what all of that tells us is that, there's a sizable market already established out there. It's growing fast.
Based on the research which we've done, we've seen that, in particular, millennials and even younger generations, they think the aspect of the sustainability profile or emissions profile, if you may, is something that features as they think about entering this category. So, I think, those are kind of the macro reasons, if you may, from our side suggesting that this is a very interesting space to play.
And I'd like to also point out that, the diamond market historically has been focused and geared towards the bridal and engagement market. So that's a crowded space, which is one of the reasons we've kind of gone a little bit to a different place where we are focused on the self purchaser. So we don't think that a woman has to wait for the guy to get on his knee and pass the rock and then make this eternal commitment.
That market of course is there and it's been there for a long time. We are more kind of appealing to the women that want to manifest good things in life on their own. They're not dependent on that. And that's the concept which we know resonates really well with our audience. So I hope that helps to clarify. It's a big ambition, we're jumping on a horse in the race that seems to be running faster than the other ones and then we'll see how it goes.
Klaus Kehl
Great. Thank you, very much.
Operator
[Operator Instructions] The next question will be from the line of Freddie Wild from Jefferies. Please go ahead. Your line will now be unmuted.
Freddie Wild
Good morning, Alexander and Anders and thanks for all that. First, I'm very sorry to return to the top, on those current trading in Q3. I guess, could you confirm on relative underlying trends versus 2019 in recent weeks. Could you just confirm that there's been no substantial change in momentum on the underlying basis in the US, Europe and China, as major markets?
And secondly, I guess for Q2 the increase in marketing as a percentage of sales versus 2019 seems to have stepped up quite substantially versus Q1. So, is that a good guide for the remainder of the year in the marketing spend? Thank you.
Alexander Lacik
I can knock-off the last question first. So, I think we've had this question before -- you cannot look at the market spending quarter-by-quarter. That's not how we build our plans. We build annual plans and there will be shifts depending a little bit when different activities, different calendar effects, different initiatives when they fall. So the guide that we have given in the past that we will be cruising around 13% to 15% mark of revenue still holds. It maybe a little bit high in some quarters and a little bit lower in others, but there's no strategic change in that respect.
Anders Boyer
Yes. I'll give it -- thanks for the question. I'll give it another shot on the current trading. The guidance that we've given this morning is between minus 1% and plus 2% organic growth for Q3 and Q4. And as I just said, in order to end in the low end of that range, something new would be -- need to happen compared to where we are currently trading. And if you add those two statements together that also -- when you said, well, then you're trading more like the plus two, which is correct.
Freddie Wild
Great, thank you.
Operator
The next question is from the line of Anne-Laure Bismuth from HSBC. Please go ahead. Your line now will be unmuted.
Anne-Laure Bismuth
Questions. First of all on -- hi, there. Thank you very much for taking my questions. So first of all on the US, can you talk about consumer demand and what you're seeing in terms of differences in demand either by price point or by product or by regions within the US? What are the weak areas and what are the stronger areas?
And then the second question is around gross margin. I think you were quite clear on the fact that we see benefits from raw material prices more in 2023 than this year. But, can you talk about the outlook for gross margin in H2 relative to what you mentioned about promotional activity, possibly FX, raw material prices, anything else in terms of moving parts for H2 to understand where the gross margin can end up at? Thank you.
Alexander Lacik
So I can take the first part there on the US. So -- and I'd just like to take us back one step. Last year, of course, we had the stimulus checks and we got an abnormal growth in the market which everybody is fully aware of. And we have all along said that we expect the market to decline coming into this year, because the stimulus money isn't simply there. And then, of course, then what we look at, we track retail metrics things like traffic conversion rate, basket size UPT, average price.
And then we also look a little bit geographically how this pans out. What you can see on the US data, I'm talking Q2 specifically, we have seen a decline in traffic which today, whether I can attribute that to inflation or whether this is the lack of stimulus checks, I don't know. My guess would be that it's more related to the lack of stimulus checks, but there maybe a component of inflation in there.
If I look at kind of the performance in other parts of the world, which also are faced with not necessarily stimulus checks but the inflationary prices, we can't really see anything in our data so far that would suggest that that's creeping in.
So my assumption is right now that US is more an effect of the lack of the – let's say the comp of the stimulus checks. And generally speaking all the other metrics are quite strong. Then geographically, it's not any major variations to be honest in the quarter then we would have to look at that over a slightly longer period of time. So there's nothing there really that kind of goes in any strange direction if you may. So US is somehow performing as we expected.
Anne-Laure Bismuth
And just maybe a follow-up, looking at the lack of stimulus checks this year versus last year, presumably that probably helped the entry level last year. Is it fair to assume that the higher price points are more resilient this year than the level price points?
Alexander Lacik
I don't see any changes in the – and that's not just for the US because that was one of the things we also said okay, if there's a recession maybe people are still buying a gift but they're going for something that's a little bit less priced in the assortment. I can't see that in Europe nor in the US to be honest.
Anne-Laure Bismuth
Okay.
Alexander Lacik
And we had some data I think was is that Bank of America that was talking about share-of-wallet where – which suggested and this is also for the most recent period, which suggested that in fact our customers continues to spend the proportion that they used to spend inside our shops. And in fact in there's even some months where it's increasing a touch but I wouldn't write too much – I mean at least we can say that we are minimally holding our own.
Anders Boyer
Then to your question about the gross margin for the rest of the year if I heard you right. There's no factors to have in mind when looking at the gross margin for the rest of the year is foreign exchange and commodity prices. And they actually go in each of their direction. So for the perhaps quite some headwind from silver prices during the last number of quarters so roughly two points of headwind from silver and gold in Q1 and Q2.
That will gradually disappear during the rest of the year so being roughly one point of drag in Q3, and then being close to zero drag in Q4 year-over-year. But on the other hand the – we've had some help from foreign exchange in the first part of the year. That would actually also then go down in Q3 and Q4, offsetting some of the easier comps on silver and gold prices.
And if you add that up net-net, you should expect to see a gross margin for the rest of the year that's flat to slightly up. And then when we get into next year and as the hedging on silver prices expire then sort of come mid next year then we will step-by-step to see the upside from lower silver prices, if the silver price stays where it is currently.
Anne-Laure Bismuth
There you go. Thank you very much
Operator
The next question will be from the line of Karina Nugent from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead. Your line now will be unmuted.
Karina Nugent
Hello. Thank you very much for taking my question. I'd like to ask around the sales by category. I don't believe you've disclosed it in terms of sales by bracelets, charms, et cetera since the second quarter of last year. Could you just give us some color around that in terms of how they're performing? And just as an extension, can you talk about the recurring element of sales in your business, for example someone buying a bracelet and then buying a charm going forward, is that something you see as a potential support and if there's any potential macroeconomic uncertainty going forward? Thank you.
Alexander Lacik
Yes. So, I mean first of all the reason we are talking about the platforms is because that's kind of how we try to drive the business, just so kind of you get a sense. In the past, the company was very much focused on product and we've switched that because that kind of is quite limiting the way you run your business. Now -- but we do have these numbers you just see -- so if you look at the charms this is quarter two versus quarter two this year versus prior year. So then you can see growth of 9% on the charms. Bracelets is down by two points. Rings is kind of flattish, earings is up 7%. Necklaces and pendants it's plus 1%. Yes, so there you go, but the way we look at it is when you jump in to the Moments platform you'll eventually you'll end up buying a bracelet with charms. So you actually look and evaluate the soundness of that business you should look at it combined, but of course what we are always very focused on is to make sure that we put more bracelets on people's wrists because that's kind of the anchor for the Moments platform.
So these are the numbers so far that I just mentioned. And versus 2019, I think this was up double digit in the Moments platform. So it's a very vital platform. Now, our job is, because it's a discretionary purchase it's really up to us to market and sell and explain and push every product actually inside our assortment. But as I said, 75% of our business sits in the Moments platform and it's very healthy. So, then the frequency on Charms -- the only meaningful way to look at that is actually to draw out the line over like a two-year period. Otherwise, it's not particularly meaningful. You can't read proper trends if you go down on an individual basis. And there we haven't seen -- from memory the last piece I saw, we sell between five and seven charms per bracelet what we call carriers.
We have -- we're also having our assortment obviously bracelets that don't -- you can't wear charms. So you have to strip that out of the math and then look at the kind of charm carrying bracelet because that kind of indicates the business model on Moments. And that is very sound. So on the short term, I can just look at the number of charms that we are selling which is growing healthy, so one would assume that the business is doing well. I hope that explains it a bit.
Karina Nugent
That’s very clear. Thank you.
Operator
As there are no further questions at this moment, I will now hand it back to the speakers for any closing remarks.
Alexander Lacik
Yes. I mean I think, we've done a good session here. We are pleased with the quarter. We stay within the guidance. We found a new CMO. We're launching Diamonds by Pandora into the largest diamond market in the world. The business is solid. Phoenix is working really well. So, I think it's another quarter which we're very happy with. And on that note thank you for the attention.
Anders Boyer
Thank you.
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