CA - Slate Office REIT (SLTTF) Q3 2023 Earnings Call Transcript
2023-11-15 11:52:06 ET
Slate Office REIT (SLTTF)
Q3 2023 Earnings Conference Call
November 15, 2023, 9:00 AM ET
Company Participants
Paul Wolanski - Senior Vice President, National Sales and IR
Brady Welch - Interim Chief Executive Officer
Robert Armstrong - Interim Chief Financial Officer
Evan Meister - Managing Director
Sarah Jane O'Shea - Vice President
Andrew Broad - Vice President
Jeremy Kaupp - Vice President
Conference Call Participants
Jonathan Kelcher - TD Cowen
Sairam Srinivas - Cormark Securities
Gaurav Mathur - Laurentian Bank
Sumayya Syed - CIBC
Presentation
Operator
Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. And welcome to the Slate Office REIT Third Quarter 2023 Financial Results Conference Call. At this time, all lines are in listen-only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions]
This call is being recorded on Wednesday, November 15, 2023. I would now like to turn the conference over to Paul Wolanski, Senior Vice President, National Sales and Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
Paul Wolanski
Thank you, Operator, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to the Q3 2023 conference call for Slate Office REIT. I am joined this morning by Brady Welch, Interim Chief Executive Officer; Robert Armstrong, Interim Chief Financial Officer; Evan Meister, Managing Director; Sarah Jane O’Shea, Vice President; Andrew Broad, Vice President; and Jeremy Kaupp, Vice President.
Before getting started, I would like to remind participants that our discussion today may contain forward-looking statements and therefore we ask you to review the disclaimers regarding forward-looking statements, as well as non IFRS measures, both of which can be found in Management’s Discussion and Analysis. You can visit Slate Office REIT’s website to access all of the REIT’s financial disclosures, including our Q3 2023 Investor Update, which is now available.
I will now hand over the call to Brady Welch for opening remarks.
Brady Welch
Thank you, Paul, and hello, everyone. First, I’d like to start by recognizing and thanking our team for all their efforts over the quarter. We accomplished a lot. We’re operating in a challenging macroeconomic environment.
Interest rates remain elevated, we’re dealing with tighter credit conditions and different regions and subsectors of office real estate are recovering at varying rates from the impacts of the lockdowns.
Through all of this, our team has been working diligently to position our business for strength and stability. The team and the Board are focused on improving the REIT’s liquidity and strengthening our balance sheet. We have made positive strides towards that objective in the last few months.
We refinanced or amended over $577 million of debt, which is nearly half of the REIT’s total debt stack. We are currently have only one remaining maturity in the balance of 2023, a $34 million loan that we expect to refinance in Q4.
We also announced yesterday the Board’s decision to suspend the REIT’s monthly cash distribution. The Board believes its decision will enable the REIT to, one, further preserve capital, two, reduce leverage, and three, ensure the REIT will be in a stronger financial position when we emerge from this economic cycle.
On the operational side, we continue to actively lease vacancies in all markets and are maintaining a stable portfolio occupancy. We completed over 277,000 square feet of total leasing in the quarter at improved rental rates, strong leasing spreads and longer lease terms. Looking ahead, less than 1% of the portfolios GLA remained to be renewed in Q4.
Finally, we are introducing a Portfolio Realignment Plan to reposition the REIT for the long-term. This plan will see the REIT divest non-core assets in certain Canadian markets that are not strategic for the REIT in the long-term. Proceeds from the sale of these assets will go towards repayment of the debt and general liquidity of the REIT’s business operations.
Looking ahead, we want to own high quality assets with strong occupancies, tenants and cash flow and markets with economic tailwinds and stable office demand. We believe the Portfolio Realignment Plan we are introducing will -- not only improve the REIT’s balance sheet and liquidity, but enhance our portfolio composition, resulting in a more focused and resilient REIT.
We continue to have conviction in the value of our office real estate and we are encouraged to see global organization launching return to office mandates and employees spending more time in the office.
On behalf of the Slate Office REIT team and the Board, I’d like to thank the investor community for their continued support.
And I’ll now hand it over for questions.
Question-and-Answer Session
Operator
Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. [Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from Jonathan Kelcher with TD Cowen. Please go ahead.
Jonathan Kelcher
Thanks. Good morning.
Brady Welch
Good morning, Jonathan.
Jonathan Kelcher
The first question on the sales that you guys are plan -- actually a couple of questions on the sales you guys are planning to undertake, says, 40% of GLA. What would that roughly be in terms of Q3 fair value.
Brady Welch
Yeah. We could get back to you on the exact IFRS component of that. I don’t have that on the top. I don’t have, Bobby, if you do.
Robert Armstrong
Yeah. Jonathan, it’s Bobby Armstrong here. It’s pretty close to around 40% of the total plus or minus a few percentage points. The reason we haven’t gone out and provided a specific dollar number is because we’re in the market. I think we’re trying to ascertain as we go and test the market where we can get liquidity for assets and where we can get the best price per pound for the portfolio.
So, overall, it’s been more of a how do we approach and delever as opposed to specific assets. It’s going to be really kind of working through the next year or two be able to accomplish that. So we wanted to provide a target as far as portfolio size as opposed to a specific dollar figure.
Brady Welch
Yeah. It’s more strategic, Jonathan.
Jonathan Kelcher
Okay. And do you -- would you guys have, like your goal is obviously to reduce leverage, but do you have a target that you’re willing to put out there of where you want to get to either on debt-to-EBITDA or gross book value?
Brady Welch
We don’t have a specific target other than, say, it’s less than is now. We’d love to get down to where the 60% level would be in the current market. I think the challenge is that, we don’t necessarily control what the component of that element is. What we want to get down is to have a reasonable approach with our lenders, where we continue to have support. They’re continuing to provide ample liquidity to continue our operations. But that’s really been the goal. Yeah.
Jonathan Kelcher
Okay. And then you didn’t talk about share repurchases with some of the liquidity you’re going to generate. But what about -- what are your thoughts on buying back parts of your 9% convert?
Robert Armstrong
Yeah. I think everything’s on the table. We take a look at all those things in terms of allocating the REITs capital. We discuss all those options with the Board and it is an allocation of capital. What we feel is the best use of that capital. Right now our focus, as I said, is, is to reduce leverage and create liquidity for the REIT.
Brady Welch
Yeah. And I would just add, I think, on a buyback program and we did talk about that internally. The sole and primary goal is the reduction of leverage and increasing liquidity for the REIT. I think the math pencils out very well from a purchase -- repurchase program of units. The convertible debentures is not something we’re looking at right now, but on the unit piece, it’s just not something we’re interested in at this point in time.
Jonathan Kelcher
Okay. Thanks. I’ll turn it back.
Brady Welch
Thanks, Jonathan.
Operator
Your next question comes from Sairam Srinivas with Cormark Securities. Please go ahead.
Sairam Srinivas
Thank you, Operator. Good morning, guys.
Brady Welch
Good morning.
Robert Armstrong
Good morning.
Sairam Srinivas
Just going by the dispositions you guys have been working on so far are the discussions you’ve been holding so far? Can you give us some color on the kind of buyers you’re seeing out there for these assets?
Brady Welch
Yeah. I mean, in today’s market, as you know, I think, it’s no surprise, the constraints of debt financing for office is real and the interest is really coming from private, locals, people that can close on a bite size deal.
As you can see in the broader global market, the larger transactions are far and few between because of the lack of debt capital out there. But the smaller bite size deals and the local privates are the ones that are buying right now.
Sairam Srinivas
That makes sense. And probably just revisiting what’s happened through the year and the G2S2, etcetera. Has there been a broad discussion from their perspective in terms of their interest in the portfolio or has there been any discussions on that side?
Brady Welch
Could you repeat the question? I could not -- are you talking about G2S2’s interest?
Sairam Srinivas
Yeah. I mean just going back, like, when G2S2 was prior to being on the Board, they were -- they ran an activist mandate and looking at it from that perspective, have they probably come around with -- and at that point of time, they’d expressed some interest in some of the assets of the portfolio, but is that an option that could be on the table perhaps?
Brady Welch
Yeah. I mean, I can’t answer for G2S2 and we are going through a process. Obviously, G2S2 has a representative on the Board and is fully aware of our strategy and is aware of what the Board is approving and direction. But properties are out that we’re going to go and we’re going to get the best and highest price that we can from the market. And if they are interested, then they will go in to that analysis.
Sairam Srinivas
Fair point. And my last question is around the change in terms of the credit facility or essentially the amendment of term there. I know the covenant has been brought down to, I mean, the debt cap has been lifted to 70% until March 24th and 65% after that. Can you run us through the thought process behind over there as to, like, is the aim to kind of get it -- get the debt rapidly down through dispositions over the next two quarters, essentially, like, through Q4 and Q1 next year?
Robert Armstrong
We would hope so. The thought process to answer your question specifically was, obviously, given where we’ve repriced our portfolio this quarter, the loan-to-value is over that threshold. So, we’re appreciative of our banking syndicate working with us very constructively to move forward on that point.
But what we have communicated broadly to them and what we’re communicating to the market is that, we want to our first goal is to execute on our disposition and Portfolio Realignment Plan for the purpose of raising capital to repay debt and we’re hoping that that reduces leverage to a more appropriate level that’s acceptable and continues to have the support of our banking partners. But that would be our goal to try to get to that point by that date at Q2.
Sairam Srinivas
All right. Thanks for the color, guys. I’ll turn it back.
Operator
[Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from Gaurav Mathur with Laurentian Bank. Please go ahead.
Gaurav Mathur
Thank you, and good morning, everyone. Just first question on the fact that around this time last year, you had initiated a strategic review and now we’re talking about disposition program or Portfolio Realignment Program. Could you talk us through the line of thinking about what’s really changed from then versus now?
Brady Welch
Yeah. I mean, I’ll start out. Listen, the world has changed immensely over the last 12 months. So I think anyone who’s in this space that you need to adapt to the market. Yes, there was a strategic review that the independent trustees of the Board engaged and hired Bank of Montreal to do that. But then as the world has experienced elevated and I say rapidly increasing, I mean, it’s still low on a historic level, don’t get me wrong on interest rates, but it’s moved quickly. You need to adapt your business model and plan accordingly. So I think that’s what’s happening here. It’s the Board considering what’s going on in the market and what the best thing is for the REIT and for the unitholders.
Robert Armstrong
Yeah. And the only color I would add to that, I think, Brady is spot on that the capital markets and the investment interest around office has obviously changed. I think it’s important to note what -- excuse me, what hasn’t changed and what continues to be the same is that, the underlying portfolio, we’ve actually been very, very pleased with the performance of that in this market. Obviously, there’s a lot of negativity around office.
But what we’re seeing for our portfolio is we’ve got occupancy stabilized. We’ve got a great pipeline of upcoming potential new tenants, which is fantastic. What continues to be a little bit of a headwind is, the interest rate environment at its current elevated levels and the general investment market, but the underlying portfolio, at least for the properties we have and I think downtown real estate in the large urban centers are a little bit different. But we continue to be holding fairly well and we’re quite pleased with the underlying operations of the real estate itself.
Brady Welch
Yeah. Yeah. So just to go on, because I think, Bobby, raises a very good point. From an operational point of view, the themes we’re seeing is that there are more people coming back to the office, that businesses are starting to plan now for the future and commit to space across all the regions that we own and operate real estate.
And our real estate is very stable, we don’t have a lot of turnover over the next 12 months and we’ve -- and we’re starting to see more activity. So from things that we can control, we’re very focused on. We can’t control interest rates and then we can’t control the ability of our availability of debt capital that’s out there in the markets.
Gaurav Mathur
Okay. Great. Well, thanks for the color. And that does segue into my next question. Now given, as you said, the operational stability is still there in the portfolio. Could you maybe talk us through how you’re thinking about core versus non-core assets?
Brady Welch
Yeah. I think at a high level, the way we look at that, which markets do we want to own real estate. In which markets do we believe in the economic drivers where there’s strong GDP growth, there’s strong demand from office users. Those are the markets we want to be in, in long-term. I think we also want to look at assets.
I believe Slate’s done a great job over the past 10 years being able to buy properties, put modest capital in there, fix them up and sell them and make profits today with the world where there’s a little less liquidity, we’re focusing on cash flow and assets with high occupancy, with strong covenant tenants. That’s in markets that we believe in. That’s at a high level. And if those assets don’t fit into that, in our opinion, those are the assets we’ll look to dispose of.
Gaurav Mathur
Okay. Great. I guess my last question and just switching gears to the balance sheet here. Your debt-to-gross book value is about 65%. From a lenders perspective, I wonder how they’re thinking about covenants going forward, given that there is a disposition program in place. But these things take time. I’m just wondering if you could provide some color on what the lender thought process here would be.
Brady Welch
It’s a great question. I think it’s relevant. I think the world has changed for what the lenders are looking for. We’ve been very fortunate to have great support from our lenders across the Board. And I think you’ve seen that with, we’ve refinanced over the last quarter $0.5 billion worth of debt, which in this market, I’m quite proud of what the team’s accomplished.
But as far as specific covenants and how the world’s changed. I think the debt-to-gross book value is probably relevant, but less relevant than it has been in the past, just given where the investment market has gone.
I think the lenders are more concerned about ability to be repaid, as well as have their -- excuse me, have their debt continue to be serviced, as well as having a partner that they believe in to execute on a plan. I think those are the most important things from their perspective at this point in time.
I think all banks and lenders are probably looking to reduce office exposure as a whole, but that just means that they need to be selective on where they’re putting out capital and who they’re choosing their partners to be and we’ve been fortunate over the last quarter that we’ve made great progress in that respect.
Gaurav Mathur
Okay. Thank you for the color, gentlemen. I’ll turn it back to the Operator.
Operator
Your next question comes from Sumayya Syed with CIBC. Please go ahead.
Sumayya Syed
Thanks. Good morning. Most of my questions have been answered, but I just wanted to see if you have the loan-to-value handy for the -- for sale assets and if that’s in line with the rest of your portfolio.
Brady Welch
Sorry, Sumayya. Can you repeat that again? The long-term value.
Sumayya Syed
The loan-to-value on the for sale assets.
Brady Welch
Loan-to-value. Yeah. It’s in around the 60%, 65%...
Robert Armstrong
Yeah.
Brady Welch
… range. It’s generally and I think that makes sense, because the 40% target that we’ve highlighted, you start to take out the highs and lows. A number of those assets are on our revolving credit facility, which is in around that range as well. So 60%, 65% is a good range.
Robert Armstrong
Yeah. Yeah. It’s a reflective of the overall portfolio’s LTV.
Sumayya Syed
Right. Okay. Thank you. That’s all I had.
Brady Welch
Great. Thank you.
Operator
There are no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call over to Paul Wolanski for closing remarks.
Paul Wolanski
Thank you everyone for joining the Q3 2023 conference call for Slate Office REIT. Have a great day.
Operator
Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes your conference call for today. We thank you for participating and ask that you please disconnect your lines.
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